maggsmaggs Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 (edited) http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/st...D0?OpenDocument CHICAGO -- If the Cardinals never solved Freddy Garcia in a 1-0 loss Thursday night, they may have settled a conspiracy. The White Sox were 40-for-88 with 15 extra-base hits and 33 runs the first two games of the series. The outburst not only heightened suspicion that Mark Mulder wasn't sound, but also that the White Sox dugout may have been exercising gamesmanship. During Wednesday's rout, the Cardinals dugout became convinced a center-field camera at U.S. Cellular Field was tipping pitches to the home team. Signs were changed after the fifth inning, and the White Sox went four for 36 with one extra-base hit and one run after the switch. "Let's put it this way," one Cardinals source said Thursday night. "They looked like they knew what was coming the first two nights. They looked like they had no idea tonight. "You figure it out." Good pitching, for one night, maybe?. They had one guy throwing 85 MPH and the other was pitching everything middle-in. Edited June 23, 2006 by maggsmaggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 I just read this too. All I can say is that sour grapes produce a lot of whine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssHatSoxFan Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 didnt we think this happened in texas with the scoreboard lights and whatnot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox72 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Give me a break... :headshake I could have gone out there and knocked Mulder around a little bit and Marquis wasn't much more impressive than he. But of course, they were stealing signs and and if they deny it they were lying and Dave Duncan doesn't like liars.... Much like Duncan's comments, this sounds like whining from a bunch of babies that just got their asses kicked. This is pathetic.... :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 You know, even when Buehrle alledged sign stealing I thought it was pathetic. Just suppose for a second the CF camera is relaying signs to our players. How are they receiving it? We're talking about several seconds -- at the most -- between a pitch and it's delivery. Wouldn't it be obvious if every hitter is looking off to the side before a pitch, or somehow a light goes on somewhere whenever a curveball is thrown. The way our lineup hit, they have to assume nearly all of our hitters had access to the pitch selection. Would we honestly run the risk of cheating, here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 The first night Mulder was tipping his pitches. His arm angle changed, his windup slowed and his armed slowed on every breaking ball. I could see this from my seats and knew it was a matter of time before he got lit up. As for Marquis I wasn't there so I really can't say, but the first night the only one at fault was Mulder himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Ridiculous. I absolutely hated it when Buehrle tried to claim it in Texas, and its just as sad now by the Cards. You got flat out beat by a better team right now, handle it and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Yea, change the signs after you get shelled for 11 in one inning, if you think that. Gees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry wiggins Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 23, 2006 -> 08:24 AM) Yea, change the signs after you get shelled for 11 in one inning, if you think that. Gees. Yeah, not the sharpest tools in the shed, those Cards! That actually occurred to me during the 20-run game, that the Sox might have got the signs somehow. Now, sign-swiping, like beanball, is a part of baseball and has been for what, a hundred years? But if the SOX do it, it's dishonest and cheating. Somehow, you just know, Ozzie and/or AJ will be alleged to have been behind it. Kapkomet's right-- the cure for sign-stealing is to change your signs. And maybe *before* you get hammered for 20-30 runs?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 I'm sure they thought we were stealing cause I did notice Molina running through different signs last night. Sometimes you go through all those with runners on base, but the bases were empty all night and molina was still going thorugh signs like a third base coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Didn't the Sox say the very same thing about Texas last year about them using a light in CF to tell the hitters what was coming?? You get rocked you make excuses.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jun 23, 2006 -> 09:53 AM) Didn't the Sox say the very same thing about Texas last year about them using a light in CF to tell the hitters what was coming?? You get rocked you make excuses.... No that never happened, and if it did I know for a fact that three other people didn't already bring it up in this very thread. Edited June 23, 2006 by Spiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 QUOTE(Spiff @ Jun 23, 2006 -> 09:00 AM) No that never happened, and if it did I know for a fact that three other people didn't already bring it up in this very thread. Ok thanks for that smart ass.. I suppose I should have taken the time to read each response first but didn't...thanks for effort though pal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 QUOTE(Spiff @ Jun 23, 2006 -> 09:00 AM) No that never happened, and if it did I know for a fact that three other people didn't already bring it up in this very thread. You've been missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(holly wiggins @ Jun 23, 2006 -> 08:29 AM) Now, sign-swiping, like beanball, is a part of baseball and has been for what, a hundred years? But if the SOX do it, it's dishonest and cheating. Somehow, you just know, Ozzie and/or AJ will be alleged to have been behind it. Kapkomet's right-- the cure for sign-stealing is to change your signs. And maybe *before* you get hammered for 20-30 runs?! Stealing signs from a centerfield camera, if we're to believe the Cardinals, is not really something you want to be associatedc with. If we're stealing signs from catchers while on base, however, that's acceptable. I still would like to know how any of our players could receives a signal in several seconds? There's always video footage available that the Cardinals could go back and check themselves. It shouldn't be that difficult, seeing as Mulder and Marquis were annihilated. You'd think there would be several opportunities to atleast back up their claims. Edited June 23, 2006 by Flash Tizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 These cardinals really b**** alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Around here, the general consensus seemed to have been all through the series that the Cardinals organization is classy, LaRussa respectable, etc. etc. etc. I've never liked the Cards. or LaRussa, was glad to see them get shelled, and am not surprised to hear this nonsense after what Duncan was saying about Guillen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 QUOTE(Spiff @ Jun 23, 2006 -> 09:00 AM) No that never happened, and if it did I know for a fact that three other people didn't already bring it up in this very thread. At first, I'm thinking, "What the hell's he talking about and then... Awesome!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 (edited) If the White Sox were stealing signs with the camera, isn't it pathetic that it would take the Cardinals 33 runs to figure it out? Edited June 23, 2006 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 (edited) Wasn't there an incident in Texas?...j/k Actually I remeber an incident in the late 90s in Cleveland when the Sox complained that people were stealing signs next to them in their dugout. (if you recall there is seating next to the dugouts). I remember the Sox taping paper on the glass seperating them during the game. Edited June 23, 2006 by RibbieRubarb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 23, 2006 -> 09:37 AM) Wasn't there an incident in Texas?...j/k Actually I remeber an incident in the late 90s in Cleveland when the Sox complained that people were stealing signs next to them in their dugout. (if you recall there is seating next to the dugouts). I remember the Sox taping paper on the glass seperating them during the game. Its one thing stealing signs about hit and runs and stealing bases. Stealing the signs with a camera for every pitch, having someone relay that sign to the dugout, then having someone sign the pitch to the batter is almost impossible. Sounds like the cards got a little cubbie in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Yeah, cause Mulder had been pitching so well until that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 i hope it's true. get your own damn camera Dunc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 If this was true, and they figured it out after the 5th inning of game one, why the hell did we score 13 on them in game two? Are they that damn stupid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 This is stupid. I could have had a hit against those pitches Mulder was throwing Tuesday... and Marquis just left too many out over the plate. Plus, the Sox NEVER do well against rookies, let alone one of the best prospects in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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