ecoyne Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jun 24, 2006 -> 04:28 PM) Bottom Line: Good Major League Pitchers know how to pitch around mistakes. I agree, but how many should you have to pitch around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Riske looked good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndgt10 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Jon didn't get much help from the guys behind him, if those plays would have been made, there is a chance his command would have been a bit better. Then add on to the fact that the Sox offense is lethargic - this pitcher can be hit for goodness sake! He has been awful on the road this season. And all the Sox's hitters have is 2 hits? Rough outing for the Sox on all facets Garland blows. That's the bottomline. Sure there were plays that could have been made defensively, but Garland didn't do much to pitch over them. I still think that the major problem with Garland is that he doesn't have an "out" pitch. He can get 2 strikes on hitters but can't put them away. How many freaking foul balls do players hit off of Garland when he gets ahead in the count? I still can't believe we gave such a huge contract to a pitcher without dominating stuff or an out pitch. It's flat out baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Widge doesn't call a good game IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tealeafreaderii Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 QUOTE(Ndgt10 @ Jun 24, 2006 -> 02:13 PM) As long as Garland gets me 12-13 wins with a 5 ERA and a spot on the bench in the postseason, I will be a happy, happy man. now would be a great time to put up a big crooked number... I haven't seen any good late inning come backs the past week.... LETS GO SOX! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 24, 2006 -> 02:32 PM) I can't watch this game, but I'll just add this: Garland needs AJP catching him, plain and simple. There is a difference with all of our pitcher when AJ starts behind the plate, or when widger does. There is a huge difference in the pitch calling. Our pitchers nibble like hamsters when Widger is behind the dish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Well, atleast Garland hasn't given up a HR in his last 3 starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Seems that the bullpen is capable of getting guys out. Riske will get torched now and then but he's not afraid to throw strikes, he's got a really good arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jun 24, 2006 -> 02:31 PM) He couldn't get his breaking-stuff over at all. I noticed that his fastball rarely hit 90 MPH. Of course, you never know with these inaccurate speed guns. That certainly didn't help him either. His sinker was crap, even if he did get two double play balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 QUOTE(beautox @ Jun 24, 2006 -> 02:33 PM) Widge doesn't call a good game IMO. Nobody was saying that last year. Why is it Widger's when Garland struggles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 QUOTE(soxunited @ Jun 24, 2006 -> 02:33 PM) I agree, but how many should you have to pitch around? The B-team defense didn't help, but the defense can't defend against walks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecoyne Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 24, 2006 -> 04:34 PM) There is a difference with all of our pitcher when AJ starts behind the plate, or when widger does. There is a huge difference in the pitch calling. Our pitchers nibble like hamsters when Widger is behind the dish. I'm not a Widge fan at all, AJ has to be one of the most underrated catchers in the AL at the very least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jun 24, 2006 -> 02:35 PM) Nobody was saying that last year. Why is it Widger's when Garland struggles? I was, even though i wasn't part of soxtalk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jun 24, 2006 -> 02:35 PM) Nobody was saying that last year. Why is it Widger's when Garland struggles? There is a difference in the majority of Buerhle's starts when Widger is behind the dish also. Baseball info solutions did some analysis on it, and it was a huge difference in Buerhle starts with AJ and Buerhle starts with Widger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 24, 2006 -> 02:34 PM) There is a difference with all of our pitcher when AJ starts behind the plate, or when widger does. There is a huge difference in the pitch calling. Our pitchers nibble like hamsters when Widger is behind the dish. Widger's gone after this year. I'm hoping we call Stewart up in October, especially if we're comfortably in the playoffs, to see how he handles the staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 When our hitters strike out on 3 or 4 pitches, I cry a little inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecoyne Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jun 24, 2006 -> 04:35 PM) The B-team defense didn't help, but the defense can't defend against walks. Can't argue with you there on the replacements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Paul has sucked today. Use them Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 You have to put pitch selection on the pitcher, they are ultimately responsible. Widge called good pitches for Mac (back to back changes to get the third out on Munson). I don't buy it that its Widgers fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 im sorry but that pitch was a strike, paul should be sitting down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Also, why is Iguchi starting against a LHP last night, and Cintron plays vs the RHP? Same goes for AJP/Widger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 but ill gladly take it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Alright PK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 COME ON JERMAINE!!!!! YOU'RE DUE!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 C'mon JD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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