clujer420 Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 Chicks just don't dig DJ. Racism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 Racism? Yes. Blacks like Ray-Ray have the chick market cornered, fo sho. DJ has no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 poor fielding!! OMG on this team how can you tell? I don't think we have a Golden Glove candidate on this squad. It's an adventure on every fly ball or grounder. Years from now I'm going to remember this team like a big old clunky stationwagon with a loose spark plug wire. Sometimes she runs like top and sometimes she kinda limps along dropping body parts. Unofficial and the PTC here might not mean anything but here's the stats Picks to Click Player wins (Regular Season) Magglio Ordonez---6 Frank Thomas--7 D'Angelo Jimenez---4 Carlos Lee--3 Joe Borchard--2 Jose Valentin--3 Joe Crede---1 Paul Konerko--- Tony Graffanino--- Sandy Alomar--- Armando Rios-- Miguel Olivo--- Brian Daubach-- Willie Harris--- Aaron Rowand-- Josh Paul--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 However, his defense and baserunning leave much to be desired. On the D., he has cost the Sox literally twice as many runs as Jose the Terrible has (8 to 4 counting the Cleveland game), his range is worse than I expected and his SS arm is overrated if you judge by mechanically poor feeds and bad release. On the base-paths, he's been pretty bad, running us out of innings, comitting mental errors, not taking extra bases and not executing hit-n-runs well. Jose Valentin is much older and slower than DJ and yet he is 3 times the baserunner. So, like I've been saying earlier this year while warding off Jimenez haters, it all comes down to suspect work ethic , and I don't think DJ is working nearly enough on his running and defense at this point. There is no reason for him not to be a 20 SB/good defensive, he certainly has the talent. Well could this "attitude" be accountable for the rest of the team's baserunning? I mean, you got guys like CLee who can't run the bases for the life of him, and nobody's questioning his work ethic. Maybe intelligent and aggressive baserunning isn't DJ's thing. Maybe there needs to be a speedy leadoff hitter playing CF, dropping DJ down to #2. 1. Carlos Lee was terrible in 2002. This year he has 6 SB in 7 attempts and the only CS was when Sox botched a would-be hit-n-run and Carlos was left hanging, with virtually no lead from 1st whatsoever. He has also been busting his ass off, taking extra bases, scoring runs from 1st. He's beyond reproach compared to Jimenez who is faster than Carlos , but has been very disappoiting while OB. 2. As far as "aggressive and smart running" not being "his thing".......well, maybe, paying 4 million a year for a one-dimensional underachiever in the future is not a "Sox GM thing" or voting him in the All-Star game is not a "fan's thing"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 The question I have about DJ is this: I believe that when he first came into baseball with the Yankees he was thought to be a SS candidate. Jeter isn't one to be thought of as anyone but an everyday player and cemented to NY. So Jimenez, who was hurt in a car accident ends up with SD. We have him and put him at second. If 2B is not his usual or natural position then is he still in a learning mode? Is he still suffering from the affects of the car accident? He swings a pretty good bat, but as has been mentioned many times before, he shows some questionable decisions when to run and some real sloppy and uninspired defense. No matter how good the bat, if you give up runs with the glove AND bad running, it would seem that your in the negative column. Is Manuel unhappy with Jimenez? Is he likely to support bringing up Miles and moving Jimenez to SS? Is it possible Jose Valentin is on the trading block? My prejudice has always been in favor of Jose V. He may make some blunders, but he gives 100% plus every game and I am not sure DJ does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 I don't think we have a Golden Glove candidate on this squad. Joe Crede someday... if he doesn't forget how to hit. And I think people need to lay off Jiminez. That article points out how he is kind of even-keeled and unemotional at times. Tell you what, half the players on this team can be described that way including the manager and our star right fielder. Base running blunders are a thing this team is trying to cut down on but there have been plenty of others participating in this. This guy plays in the face of heavy scrutiny based on the bad words from San Diego, and I think he is proving them wrong each and every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 We play San Diego this coming weekend at home. It'll be interesting to see if SD pitchers try to throw at D'Angelo. If they do, it will be equally interesting to see if Sox pitchers defend him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 "Chicks just don't dig DJ." Thats suppose to be B J's. Chicks just dont dig BJ's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 I think DJ has been a relatively satisfactory performer for the team this year. As for his base running blunders, that seems to happen to any player wearing a Sox uniform. Our team baserunning was horrid in '02. Look at Olivo, trying to take 3rd on a foul pop up with two outs. I like Olivo as a ballplayer, and I am not unhappy with DJ. I'm not going to hang either one them over the mistakes they've made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 And speaking of Rowand, expect to see him back in CF for the Sox soon. s***, thanks for the heads up Rex. I'll be sure to have my "Dorn Sucks" posts ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 let us be realistic HSC, Jimenez could be batting .400 with 15 homers and 50 RBIs right now and you'd still somehow say he's hurting this team. been on his ass since day one. wrong.. if dj was actually doing something other than sleeping in the field then i wouldnt have as much a problem with him......his hitting has dropped, his defense is sucking up the royal ying yang and i just dont like the lack of effort on his part.. his manager put it nicely when he said that dj was not a play for life type of guy... he should have just come out and said hes a lazy bastard but i have to play him............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Of course. Her bias for Miles has reared its ugly head for months now. i dont have a bias twards miles.. the better guy out of spring training was promised the job.. and the better guy WAS miles.... ask jm how he felt.. he was ready to keep miles and send dj packing.. but of course he was over ridden by the guy in charge at the time and you can mark it down to another fine f*** up by kw.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Chicks just don't dig DJ. Heather and Steff hate him too. Perhaps a trip to a dermatologist (and a front teeth specialist) can do wonders for his luck among the ladiez. I agree with Rafa and ws61382 - even with his month-long slump, DJ is still one of the best young leadoff hitters in the game. If he should become aggressive on 2-1/3-1 fastballs, he will be even better. He is too tentative while ahead on the count and takes too many first-pitch strikes down the middle. Pitchers are starting to "cheat" on him like did with Farnk Thomas. However, his defense and baserunning leave much to be desired. On the D., he has cost the Sox literally twice as many runs as Jose the Terrible has (8 to 4 counting the Cleveland game), his range is worse than I expected and his SS arm is overrated if you judge by mechanically poor feeds and bad release. On the base-paths, he's been pretty bad, running us out of innings, comitting mental errors, not taking extra bases and not executing hit-n-runs well. Jose Valentin is much older and slower than DJ and yet he is 3 times the baserunner. So, like I've been saying earlier this year while warding off Jimenez haters, it all comes down to suspect work ethic , and I don't think DJ is working nearly enough on his running and defense at this point. There is no reason for him not to be a 20 SB/good defensive, he certainly has the talent. perhaps a trip to oz and see the wizzard for a heart????? something which he should have to play if he in fact likes what he does........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Yes. Blacks like Ray-Ray have the chick market cornered, fo sho. DJ has no chance. says who?????? you guys really got it all wrong.......thats just a twisted statement brando........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Chicks just don't dig DJ. Heather and Steff hate him too. Perhaps a trip to a dermatologist (and a front teeth specialist) can do wonders for his luck among the ladiez. ROTFLMAO!! I don't dislike him because of what he looks like. OMG that is the funniest thing I have ever read!! I may be a lot of things, but superficial.. hardly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 What people hate about DJ is the fame that he got it by his ex-teammates. Klesko is a asshole. His lazyness is working on the plate, hein??? Actually raf.. I don't like him because of something he personally did to me and a few of my guests during spring training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Yes. Blacks like Ray-Ray have the chick market cornered, fo sho. DJ has no chance. ROTFLMAO!!! Classic. I'm gonna print this out and show it to him tonight. OMG.. tooooo damn funny!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Chicks just don't dig DJ. Heather and Steff hate him too. Perhaps a trip to a dermatologist (and a front teeth specialist) can do wonders for his luck among the ladiez. I agree with Rafa and ws61382 - even with his month-long slump, DJ is still one of the best young leadoff hitters in the game. If he should become aggressive on 2-1/3-1 fastballs, he will be even better. He is too tentative while ahead on the count and takes too many first-pitch strikes down the middle. Pitchers are starting to "cheat" on him like did with Farnk Thomas. However, his defense and baserunning leave much to be desired. On the D., he has cost the Sox literally twice as many runs as Jose the Terrible has (8 to 4 counting the Cleveland game), his range is worse than I expected and his SS arm is overrated if you judge by mechanically poor feeds and bad release. On the base-paths, he's been pretty bad, running us out of innings, comitting mental errors, not taking extra bases and not executing hit-n-runs well. Jose Valentin is much older and slower than DJ and yet he is 3 times the baserunner. So, like I've been saying earlier this year while warding off Jimenez haters, it all comes down to suspect work ethic , and I don't think DJ is working nearly enough on his running and defense at this point. There is no reason for him not to be a 20 SB/good defensive, he certainly has the talent. perhaps a trip to oz and see the wizzard for a heart????? something which he should have to play if he in fact likes what he does........ Hmm lets see and Carlos could be the Strawman... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Actually raf.. I don't like him because of something he personally did to me and a few of my guests during spring training. Hey Steff, what he did to you and your guests? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Hey Steff, what he did to you and your guests? Sorry, but I am not posting what happened here. I will say that in all my years of being around baseball and going to spring training (16 years) I saw the most disgusting stuff this past year, and several incidents involved DJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Sorry, but I am not posting what happened here. I will say that in all my years of being around baseball and going to spring training (16 years) I saw the most disgusting stuff this past year, and several incidents involved DJ. It seems that it was big bad thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 i dont have a bias twards miles.. the better guy out of spring training was promised the job.. and the better guy WAS miles.... ask jm how he felt.. he was ready to keep miles and send dj packing.. but of course he was over ridden by the guy in charge at the time and you can mark it down to another fine f*** up by kw.......... There is a difference between talent and heart. I have the heart to play major league baseball, but it is something that will never happen. Miles heart doesn't make up the talent difference with Jimenez. Jimenez was the right choice out of ST no questions asked. I go to school at the U of A and say almost every Sox game in Tucson, and Miles wasn't better. Miles is a career minor leaguer, with no speed, terrible defense, and zero plate disipline. He is a future utility infielder at best. Jimenez is the present and the future. Imagine how good this kid could be if he starts trying. Why should Miles be starting over Jimenez? If you think Miles should be starting over Jimenez then you definately have a bias, that or you are smoking crack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Jimenez is the present and the future. Imagine how good this kid could be if he starts trying. Why should Miles be starting over Jimenez? If you think Miles should be starting over Jimenez then you definately have a bias, that or you are smoking crack. I agree with you, if we had a good manager that take DJ on his own, he would end up playing with more desire. The fisrt thing that JM did when DJ made that stupid baserunning mistake agst ARI, was putting him on the bench. But you get too hard on this crack s*** . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 TO WS613282. First, happy birthday. Since you are from U of A, how about your giving a report on Anderson, our 1st rounder. Tks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfaninbeverly Posted June 10, 2003 Author Share Posted June 10, 2003 I go to school at the U of A Loser! GO DEVILS!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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