The Critic Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jul 1, 2006 -> 02:14 PM) is Ramirez a single away from the cycle? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jul 1, 2006 -> 02:14 PM) is Ramirez a single away from the cycle? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 QUOTE(VAfan @ Jul 1, 2006 -> 02:13 PM) He can't even get the pitcher out in less than 7 pitches. No way should he face Pierre here. They're trying to get him through the inning so he they can pinch hit for him in the top of the 7th since his spot is due up first. No sense in bringing in a bullpen arm for 1 out and then having to pinch hit for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Jul 1, 2006 -> 02:14 PM) You wrote stupid and Cubs in the same sentence. Isn't that a bit redundant? Whoops!!! I guess should have said that move was stupid even for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Jul 1, 2006 -> 12:08 PM) i said haeger over Vazquez. we only gave haeger one chance. he's been solid most of the year at Charlotte. Could trade Vaz and get a functioning part in CF, maybe somebody who could really swing the stick, hit .190 and remember to touch first base when he hits the occasional ball into the gap (See Game Three agaisnt Pittsburgh for details.) I'm not a huge fan of Haeger w/the Sox but I do think he will have a couple sucessful years somewhere (probably for a losing team) but one thing I do think you hit the nail on was the whole "one chance". Regardless of whether a start is good or bad, if your a talent evaluator you can't judge a pitcher by his "first start". You can look at his stuff and judge that a bit, but you can't look at the actual numbers. I"d look a lot more towards his minor league track record, what type of stuff he flashed consistently and than go from there. Usually in your first ml start, you aren't near the pitcher you usually are because of nerves and ocassionally you are way better than you are due to the unfamiliarity of the other team or you pitching over your head. Fans, like scouts and executives have to be patient when it comes to players making there debut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 A 4-pitch walk? Why did they go to the mound? QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Jul 1, 2006 -> 03:15 PM) They're trying to get him through the inning so he they can pinch hit for him in the top of the 7th since his spot is due up first. No sense in bringing in a bullpen arm for 1 out and then having to pinch hit for them. But you don't have to. Put Mack in the pitcher's spot to lead off the inning, and slot the pitcher in Anderson's spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Since 2000 Javier has the 4th most strikeouts of any pitcher. The other pitchers on the top 5 list? Randy Johnson Pedro Martinez Curt Schilling Roger Clemens -------------------------------- You guys are right, he SUCKS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jul 1, 2006 -> 02:14 PM) Good lord. Were you one of those spewing the same s*** back in August of 2004 when Contreras was giving up 9 runs to the Angels? Vazquez has always been on KW's radar. Vazquez is signed through next season and is arbitration eligble in 2008. This was not a trade made for an immediate impact. What has Chris Young done so far this year Milkman? I see Vizcaino (who negative nancies like yourself threw under the bus way too early last season) is having an even worse June then Jazquez and his numbers are sky rocketing. El Duque was already traded from the D'Backs after posting a POS 6.11 ERA, and his now posting a POS 4.89 ERA with the Mets. Javy has been dissapointed this year, but do you guys hoenstly expect him to keep pitching like this for the rest of the season? The rest of his contract? How did Contreras do in the beginning of 2005? As you informed me earlier, it is actually spelled "Vazquez". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 1, 2006 -> 12:09 PM) Something happened to Javier at the all-star break in 2004. He's been mediocre to bad ever since then. Before that, he was one of the best young pitchers in baseball. f*** Uribe! We don't need that s*** right now. I think a lot of people thought all the innings got to him. He still throws innings (historically speaking) and everything seems to be there, mentally he isn't strong (that has to be it). Its not like he has horrid control where there is something taht really stands out where you can say if he fixes this he'll be fine. The way he goes about business, he just seems to totally zone out and get way too comfortable and teams than get runners on and he steps up or tries to than, but they are on so much that inevitably your going to give up hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valponick Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 QUOTE(VAfan @ Jul 1, 2006 -> 07:16 PM) A 4-pitch walk? Why did they go to the mound? But you don't have to. Put Mack in the pitcher's spot to lead off the inning, and slot the pitcher in Anderson's spot. The way the ball is carrying today I don't want Mack out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxin @ Jul 1, 2006 -> 02:16 PM) Since 2000 Javier has the 4th most strikeouts of any pitcher. The other pitchers on the top 5 list? Randy Johnson Pedro Martinez Curt Schilling Roger Clemens -------------------------------- You guys are right, he SUCKS!!! How 'bout you post his numbers since around the all-star break of 2004? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jul 1, 2006 -> 02:14 PM) Good lord. Were you one of those spewing the same s*** back in August of 2004 when Contreras was giving up 9 runs to the Angels? Vazquez has always been on KW's radar. Vazquez is signed through next season and is arbitration eligble in 2008. This was not a trade made for an immediate impact. What has Chris Young done so far this year Milkman? I see Vizcaino (who negative nancies like yourself threw under the bus way too early last season) is having an even worse June then Jazquez and his numbers are sky rocketing. El Duque was already traded from the D'Backs after posting a POS 6.11 ERA, and his now posting a POS 4.89 ERA with the Mets. Javy has been dissapointed this year, but do you guys hoenstly expect him to keep pitching like this for the rest of the season? The rest of his contract? How did Contreras do in the beginning of 2005? Yes, because that's what he's done the last few years. And Contreras did fine in the beginning of 2005. He got kind of bad towards the middle of the year, though. I thought Contreras was a fine back of the rotation guy. He actually did well in the beginning of last year. And the deal was bad because we brought in a s***ty starter making a lot of money, when we could have kept a quality reliever and a cheap starter that was sure to put up a better ERA than that of Vazquez. Then we threw in a stud prospect. The only good aspect of the trade was losing Duque. Like I said, I was for the trade when it happened. But it has become abundantly clear that it was a very bad deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Javy with 108 pitches through 6 innings. I've never seen anybody that can't get past the 6 inning throw so many pitches per start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jul 1, 2006 -> 12:10 PM) giving up chris young and an aged, injury prone pitcher to bring in Javy as the fifth starter is a bad deal? Luis Vizciano would look very very good in our pen. Thats and Chris Young are the key names. I could care less about Duque. I'd have given him away for free. I loved what he did for us in relief in that Boston series and he gave us enough good starts out of the 5 spot last year (until Bmac came up and took over down the stretch) to get us in the post-season. But he's not someone I'd want to be counting on to take the mound every 5th day, just like Frank Thomas wasn't someone I was counting on to be our DH for 140 or so games (this season or really last season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 I think if Vazquez doesn't come around quickly, that he should be moved to the bullpen, with McCarthy to the rotation. Vazquez does have good stuff. If he focused in medium-long relief, there's a chance he could be pretty good. Of course if we did that, his trade value would be nearly zilch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 Eyre, Sox snubber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 C'mon PK. Give us a thrill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 1, 2006 -> 02:17 PM) How 'bout you post his numbers since around the all-star break of 2004? Going into this year, he was 25-25 with 342 K's 413.7 IP 106 BBs 4.60 ERA since 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxin @ Jul 1, 2006 -> 02:16 PM) Since 2000 Javier has the 4th most strikeouts of any pitcher. The other pitchers on the top 5 list? Randy Johnson Pedro Martinez Curt Schilling Roger Clemens -------------------------------- You guys are right, he SUCKS!!! Haha, yeah. That must make him spectacular. Kerry Wood had 20 K's in one game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 QUOTE(The Critic @ Jul 1, 2006 -> 12:13 PM) Do we have a starter that hasn't gotten pissed all over in a game thread? People stomped all over Contreras when he almost lost a game. Fact is, if Ozzie felt the Sox had a better option in the rotation, he'd be in there instead of Vazquez. Sox management must not feel that McCarthy is ready for it yet. Attaboy AJ! Count is struggling a bit, but doesn't deserve to get pissed on. He has been off a little bit as of late and finally got hit around by Pitt (every pitcher has a slump). Garland, while he had a horrid start, I still was confident because he has good command, can go deep into games and really has a good attitude (imo). Buehrle is Buehrle and he'll go through an ocassional few starts where he isn't as strong but you know what you got. Freddy is frustrating because of his velocity issue, but he's picked things up. Vaz, you really can't point to anything (control, not locating a certain pitch) but he's just getting hit and hit hard and his long term attitude in past seasons gives me reason to be worried. But ya, its a game thread and people are usually a bit more reactive (or reactionary) here cause its happening "now" as opposed to being able to have a day or two to sit back and think things over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 1, 2006 -> 12:18 PM) Luis Vizciano would look very very good in our pen. Thats and Chris Young are the key names. I could care less about Duque. I'd have given him away for free. I loved what he did for us in relief in that Boston series and he gave us enough good starts out of the 5 spot last year (until Bmac came up and took over down the stretch) to get us in the post-season. But he's not someone I'd want to be counting on to take the mound every 5th day, just like Frank Thomas wasn't someone I was counting on to be our DH for 140 or so games (this season or really last season). I can't believe you would bemoan the loss of Vizciano. Really. Weak NL west is making him look better than he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 PK RIPPA!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 NICE! PK does yard work!!! 5-5!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 1, 2006 Share Posted July 1, 2006 THANK YOU, PK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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