knightni Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I'll say it again. 60-day DL him and get him the surgery. See you in '07 Cliffie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 QUOTE(knightni @ Jul 2, 2006 -> 11:26 PM) See you in '07 Cliffie. I honestly don't expect him to be in a whitesox uniform after this season. (esp. since his contract runs out after this) Jenks-Cotts-Riske-Thornton-Tracey (maybe) and someone from FA or trade probably since BMac will be in the rotation next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I don't know if you want to trust radar guns, but he's barely been hitting 90 this year, I think I've seen him hit 93 once or twice but that's it. Last season he threw 93-95 for the most part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHAMBARONS Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 2, 2006 -> 02:27 PM) Angel Pagan. That's all that needs to be said. He had a whopping 8 career minor league homers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Politte sucks. Last year was a fluke year. There was a stat last year showing he was the most dependent player on his defense. Well, if you keep the ball high, no way the defense will bail you out since the ball will be reaching the warning track at the very least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 He looked pretty good that 1st inning against pittsburgh... but than Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Cliff is going to be no where near the pen in 07. You'll have: Bobby, Neal, Matt, Riske(maybe, if we re-sign him), good chance you'll see Long imo and then a veteran right hander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 3, 2006 -> 12:58 AM) Politte sucks. Last year was a fluke year. There was a stat last year showing he was the most dependent player on his defense. Well, if you keep the ball high, no way the defense will bail you out since the ball will be reaching the warning track at the very least. I really don't think you can say last year was a fluke. He was absolutely DOMINANT last year. It's not like he was just getting "lucky" for the entire year. He was just unbelievable. Sometimes, players just can't do it two years in a row, they run out of gas. But I think its very unfair to say last year was a fluke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Jul 3, 2006 -> 02:04 AM) I really don't think you can say last year was a fluke. He was absolutely DOMINANT last year. It's not like he was just getting "lucky" for the entire year. He was just unbelievable. Sometimes, players just can't do it two years in a row, they run out of gas. But I think its very unfair to say last year was a fluke. It was a fluke year because it was completely against his career norms. I don't agree with Nite that he was lucky last year however, he was just absolutely dominating last season. Cliff's been an avearge reliever all his career and last year was just a flash in the pan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 3, 2006 -> 02:10 AM) It was a fluke year because it was completely against his career norms. I don't agree with Nite that he was lucky last year however, he was just absolutely dominating last season. Cliff's been an avearge reliever all his career and last year was just a flash in the pan. I would call this year more the fluke, cause I highly doubt he's going to be this bad next season. IMO, he can get semi close to his career numbers from last year than he will this season unless he puts off surgery cause it's quite obvious he's not 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jul 3, 2006 -> 02:13 AM) I would call this year more the fluke, cause I highly doubt he's going to be this bad next season. IMO, he can get semi close to his career numbers from last year than he will this season unless he puts off surgery cause it's quite obvious he's not 100%. Well if he's healthy I completely agree but he seems to have lost something off his fastball. Relievers for the most part are just so hard to judge from year to year. Edited July 3, 2006 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jul 3, 2006 -> 12:13 AM) I would call this year more the fluke, cause I highly doubt he's going to be this bad next season. IMO, he can get semi close to his career numbers from last year than he will this season unless he puts off surgery cause it's quite obvious he's not 100%. I stray from a fluke (last year) simply because it was one of the few years in his career where he had back to back seasons where he was entirely healthy. Injuries have really bothered him throughout his career and prevented him from having some pretty good seasons. Nothing as dominant as last season (thats really hard to do) but his stuff was pretty damn good. Now its pathetic and he can't locate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 (edited) If Cliff gets healthy, I honestly believe that he will be back to close to '05 production. He certainly has a better track record than many RPs that will be available in '07 free agency. Stop throwing people under the bus so quickly. Geez. Edited July 3, 2006 by knightni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 The only real question is why he hasn't been designated for assignment... Hell we could bring up someone from our Great Falls team here and they could out pitch Cliff the gas can... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jul 3, 2006 -> 04:59 AM) The only real question is why he hasn't been designated for assignment... Hell we could bring up someone from our Great Falls team here and they could out pitch Cliff the gas can... I'd be really surprised if he isn't gone soon. I think the only thing that's holding it up is a lack of a viable replacement. Politte has been much worse this year than Shingo last year and he was DFA'd, of course they had Jenks waiting in the wings. Ozzie likes Montero, that's scary, and it appears that regardless of what the spin is on it, that Tracey will never be a guy Ozzie will trust, if he even is given another chance. But like you said, any pitcher in the organization could give you what Politte gives you right now. Even some position players could give you what he gives you right now. His ERA last season was 2.01. He had never had an ERA below 3.66 in any season he pitched 30 innings until last year. His fastball has lost some zip. It was obvious he was due for a decline this season, but its still shocking the decline was this great. Edited July 3, 2006 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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