Elecciones 2006

[KipWellsFan]

NAP 38.91%

PRD 35.50%

 

20.25% reporting

 

http://prep.eluniversal.com.mx/indexpre.html

 

last updated at 10:31 Central, check link for newest updates

Edited July 3, 2006 by KipWellsFan

[kapkomet]

Please do keep us up to date, if you can. I won't have time tonight so it will be good to go here early in the AM to get the scoop.

[KipWellsFan]

Pretty much every update has the leftwingers gaining and are now within less than 4 percent. I gotta run though. I don't think this will be clear cut by tonight anyways.

[Rex Kickass]

It's within one percent, 36.6 - 35.5 or something like that. Close enough that they won't announce an official winner til Wednesday.

[Rex Kickass]

Its a 380,000 vote margin and Calderon (the current ruling party candidate) seems to be showing signs of a victory. But, the leftist candidate refuses to concede.

[jackie hayes]

Pretty much every update has the leftwingers gaining and are now within less than 4 percent. I gotta run though. I don't think this will be clear cut by tonight anyways.

That would make sense, right? Some of the more isolated areas of the country are extremely left, and they'll also be the slowest to get results in -- yes?

[kapkomet]

Gee, just like an American election.

[Rex Kickass]

Yeah except this one appears to be a little more clear cut. I think as the more remote areas are trickling in, its not gonna be enough for the leftists to close the gap.

[Rex Kickass]

The IFE lead is nearly 400,000 votes at this point and there will be a recount at the request of the PRI candidate, although little is expected to change.

[EvilMonkey]

The IFE lead is nearly 400,000 votes at this point and there will be a recount at the request of the PRI candidate, although little is expected to change.

Maybe the Dems can lend them some of their ballot counters to help with all the hanging chads and such. I am sure they can come up with a few hundred thousand votes if they try hard enough.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Maybe the Dems can lend them some of their ballot counters to help with all the hanging chads and such. I am sure they can come up with a few hundred thousand votes if they try hard enough.

You really don't know much about Mexican elections.

 

They have been notoriously corrupt in the past -- to a point that is sometimes becomes laughably so (especially when there was the one party state) In 1988, the candidate for Obrador’s Party of the Democratic Revolution (PDR), who opinion polls showed as a certain winner, somehow came up short against the incumbent party of the ruling elite. Some of the electoral tricks were far from subtle. In the state of Guerrero, the PDR was leading on official tally sheets by 359,369. Oddly, the official final count was 309,202 for the ruling party, only 182,874 for the PDR. Challenging the vote would have been dangerous. Two top officials of Obrador’s party were assassinated during the campaign.

 

Seems like there's problems even now...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6062500790.html

 

And from BBC journalist Greg Palast

 

It begins with an FBI document marked, “Counterterrorism” and “Foreign Intelligence Collection” and “Secret.” Date: “9/17/2001,” six days after the attack on the World Trade towers. It’s nice to know the feds got right on the ball, if a little late.

 

What does this have to do with jiggering Mexico’s election? Hold that thought.

 

Hunting for Terrorists in Latin America -- This document is what’s called a “guidance” memo for using a private contractor to provide databases on dangerous foreigners. Good idea. We know the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the Persian Gulf Emirates. So you’d think the “Intelligence Collection” would be aimed at getting info on the guys in the Gulf.

 

Not so. When we received the document, we obtained as well its classified appendix. The target nations for “foreign counterterrorism investigation” were nowhere near the Persian Gulf. Every one was in Latin America -- Argentina, Venezuela, Mexico and a handful of others.

 

Latin America?! Was there a terror cell about to cross into San Diego with exploding enchiladas?

 

All the target nations had one thing in common besides a lack of terrorists: each had a left-leaning presidential candidate or a left-leaning president in office. In Venezuela, President Hugo Chavez, bete noir of the Bush Administration, was facing a recall vote. In Mexico, the anti-Bush Mayor of Mexico City, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador was (and is) leading the race for the Presidency.

 

Most provocative is the contractor to whom this no-bid contract was handed: ChoicePoint Inc. of Alpharetta, Georgia. ChoicePoint is the database company that created a list for Governor Jeb Bush of Florida of voters to scrub from voter rolls before the 2000 election. ChoicePoint’s list (94,000 names in all) contained few felons. Most of those on the list were guilty of no crime.

 

The FBI's contractor states that, following the arrest of ChoicePoint agents by the Mexican government, the company returned or destroyed its files. The firm claims not to have known collecting this information violated Mexican law. Such files can be useful in challenging a voter's right to cast a ballot or in preventing that vote from counting.

 

It is, of course, impossible to know if the FBI destroyed its own copy of the files of Mexico's voter rolls obtained by Choicepoint or if these were then used to illegally assist the Calderon candidacy.

 

Opinion polls are showing that the leftist candidate was winning (cites Richard Lugar saying in the Ukraine during their last election that such a divergence from exit polls to the actual vote count is proof of "blatant fraud" in the vote count)

[WCSox]

You really don't know much about Mexican elections.

 

They have been notoriously corrupt in the past

 

Anybody who knows the least bit about Mexican politics could've guessed that.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Anybody who knows the least bit about Mexican politics could've guessed that.

Well there's counting votes improperly corrupt and killing off people in the other party corrupt. When they had the one party state, option 2 corrupt was happening in conjunction with option 1.

[WCSox]

Well there's counting votes improperly corrupt and killing off people in the other party corrupt. When they had the one party state, option 2 corrupt was happening in conjunction with option 1.

 

Which, again, is no shocker. This is Mexico we're talking about. The military protects the drug cartels. American tourists are regularly kidnapped for ransom by thugs or pulled over and robbed by the police.

 

It's a sad state of affairs down there. :headshake

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Which, again, is no shocker. This is Mexico we're talking about. The military protects the drug cartels. American tourists are regularly kidnapped for ransom by thugs or pulled over and robbed by the police.

 

It's a sad state of affairs down there. :headshake

 

 

To say nothing of the fact that you have Vicente Fox down there who seems to think that exporting poverty to the United States is the answer to at least some of their problems. I somehow doubt his successor will be a whole lot better regardless of who gets in.

[WCSox]

To say nothing of the fact that you have Vicente Fox down there who seems to think that exporting poverty to the United States is the answer to at least some of their problems. I somehow doubt his successor will be a whole lot better regardless of who gets in.

 

I'd rather see his successor elected than his socialist opponent.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

I'd rather see his successor elected than his socialist opponent.

 

 

Its clearly a battle to see who is the tallest midget down there. I don't think either of them is worth the paper the vote tally is printed on.

[kapkomet]

Its clearly a battle to see who is the tallest midget down there. I don't think either of them is worth the paper the vote tally is printed on.

You don't want the socialist candidate, trust me. He will become GREAT PALS with Hugo Chavez and Fidel... just what we need.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

You don't want the socialist candidate, trust me. He will become GREAT PALS with Hugo Chavez and Fidel... just what we need.

 

 

Oh, I totally agree. As if Mexico wasn't already a corrupt, Narco state, a leftist candidate gaining power would be a catastrophe.

[Rex Kickass]

Appears the recount is showing signs of a reversal.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060705/ts_nm/...HNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

 

Results on display at the Federal Electoral Institute showed Lopez Obrador had 37.05 percent of the vote with results in from 36.6 percent of polling stations. Ruling party candidate Felipe Calderon was second with 34.38 percent.

 

It was too soon to say whether the trend would hold. Preliminary results earlier this week from Sunday's election gave Calderon a lead of about 0.6 percentage points over Lopez Obrador.

 

Still early though, so we'll see.

[WCSox]

Interesting. Well, if Obrador does indeed win, he'll most likely align himself with Castro and Chavez. And that might give our government less incentive to "make nice" with the Mexican government and to more proactively guard our southern border.

Edited July 5, 2006 by WCSox

[KipWellsFan]

Calderon also has offered Obrador a position in cabinet. Which is probably a pre-emptive attempt to look willing to compromise knowing that Obrador won't accept.

 

Obrador still winning

 

PRD 37.11%

NAP 34.52%

 

62.6% reporting

 

I don't know what's going on.

Edited July 5, 2006 by KipWellsFan

[jackie hayes]

Calderon also has offered Obrador a position in cabinet. Which is probably a pre-emptive attempt to look willing to compromise knowing that Obrador won't accept.

 

Obrador still winning

 

PRD 37.11%

NAP 34.52%

 

54.92% reporting

 

I don't know what's going on.

I think Calderon said in the same breath exactly that, that he probably wouldn't accept.

 

Either there was in fact rampant corruption, or maybe Obrador-heavy districts were more eager to get the recount going?

 

So, a charismatic politician captures the highest office in the land, but when his publicly inept chosen successor runs it turns out the coattails are very, very short. I feel like I've heard this story somewhere before...

[KipWellsFan]

PRD 36.98%

NAP 34.56%

 

63.34% reporting

 

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/noticias.html

 

narrowing...

 

PRD 36.91%

NAP 34.6%

 

65.68% reporting

[KipWellsFan]

PRD 36.81%

NAP 34.64%

 

69.01%

 

still narrowing but probably not fast enough for the Fox successor

Edited July 5, 2006 by KipWellsFan