Joe Lieberman will run in the general.

[EvilMonkey]

Lamont pounds Joe on WMT PAC donation of $1000, while controling over $30k worth of stock.

Hello pot, meet kettle. Seems Mr. Lamont owns a nice chunck of Walmart stock himself, while also trying to play the anti-Walmrt card.

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20...12200-4787r.htm

[minors]

Now why would a state actually vote against a 3 term senator who has done so much for his state. Hopefully this splits the party and the republican wins. It wouldn't take much when you have 3 candidates and it is splitting one parties votes. If the libs were smart they would unite behind on candidate.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Now why would a state actually vote against a 3 term senator who has done so much for his state. Hopefully this splits the party and the republican wins. It wouldn't take much when you have 3 candidates and it is splitting one parties votes. If the libs were smart they would unite behind on candidate.

The state is voting against him because they have grown upset with his policies on certain issues. That's why Lieberman is getting his ass whipped like a government mule in the primary. It's probably too much to ask for his staff to look and see: "Holy crap, the people of CT really don't like us running this year." But rather we'll get the: "Who cares about the people of CT? I gots my ego to feed! It's Joementum time!"

[minors]

The state is voting against him because they have grown upset with his policies on certain issues. That's why Lieberman is getting his ass whipped like a government mule in the primary. It's probably too much to ask for his staff to look and see: "Holy crap, the people of CT really don't like us running this year." But rather we'll get the: "Who cares about the people of CT? I gots my ego to feed! It's Joementum time!"

 

 

You would think someone like Howard Dean would say whoa we can't afford the republicans taking this seat somebody needs to back down.

[EvilMonkey]

He is also getting beat because in primaries, you generally have the more extremists of each party out voting. They tend to be the ones most agitated, most worked up, and vote the most in the primaries. That's why you see alot of politicians tone thier message down a bit once they get the nomination.

[samclemens]

He is also getting beat because in primaries, you generally have the more extremists of each party out voting. They tend to be the ones most agitated, most worked up, and vote the most in the primaries. That's why you see alot of politicians tone thier message down a bit once they get the nomination.

 

very true, only people that really care seem to vote in primaries. way more will vote in the actual election.

[Balta1701]

You would think someone like Howard Dean would say whoa we can't afford the republicans taking this seat somebody needs to back down.

Well, first of all, at least on a lot of issues that matter a lot, from abortion, to the bankruptcy bill, to putting judges on the Supreme Court, to the Iraq war, the Republicans already have the seat.

 

Secondly, the Republican in that race is an absolute joke. Polling what, 10%, sued by a couple of different casinos for gambling debts. So the risk is actually fairly minimal, even if he does go down.

 

Third, if Howard Dean or someone like that were to have stepped in and tried to suggest to Lamont that they should leave the race, then what would the Republicans say? Oh, the Democrats don't have any principles, they're pushing out the principled people from the race because all they want is to win elections.

 

And fourth, why exactly isn't someone like Bill Frist or George W. Bush standing up and saying "Oh we can't afford the Democrats taking Lincoln Chaffee's seat", where Chaffee is also looking at losing a primary challenge, but in that case, the Democrats actually have a strong challenger who will probably win that seat if Chaffee Loses.

[EvilMonkey]

Oh, the Democrats don't have any principles, they're pushing out the principled people from the race because all they want is to win elections.

Yup. Principled people that bring hypocricy to the expected levels when raising charges about accepting a Walmart donation against Joe, while holding, and profiting, from stock of the very same company. From disavowing any knowledge of bloggers and their activity, when the prominent one who did the blackface of Joe worked on an internet ad for his campaign and follows the campaign around exclusively. Yup, principles, alright. Seems like he fits right in with the rest of them.

 

I remember a common cry from the liberals that dissent is patriotic. If 'dissent is patriotic' then why are you guys being so brutal to Joe Lieberman for dissenting from you on Iraq? Or on other issues? He is just being a true patriot!

Edited August 6, 2006 by EvilMonkey

[Rex Kickass]

very true, only people that really care seem to vote in primaries. way more will vote in the actual election.

 

If only the people who "really care" about what our government does votes in primaries, I wish turn out was that low in every election. Because if you don't really care, you shouldn't bother to vote.

[minors]

Third, if Howard Dean or someone like that were to have stepped in and tried to suggest to Lamont that they should leave the race, then what would the Republicans say? Oh, the Democrats don't have any principles, they're pushing out the principled people from the race because all they want is to win elections.

 

And fourth, why exactly isn't someone like Bill Frist or George W. Bush standing up and saying "Oh we can't afford the Democrats taking Lincoln Chaffee's seat", where Chaffee is also looking at losing a primary challenge, but in that case, the Democrats actually have a strong challenger who will probably win that seat if Chaffee Loses.

 

 

Well I am not really even saying for Dean to get Lamont out maybe to get Joe to quit but really just make sure that who ever lose the primary doesn't run as a 3rd party candidate. Also Lincoln Chaffee is a democrat as far I am concerned. He supports nothing that republicans do not one thing so who really cares if he loses in fact I hope he does lose in primaries because it will give a honest republican a chance to win. Chaffee is only a democrat wrapped in republican wrapper.

 

 

If only the people who "really care" about what our government does votes in primaries, I wish turn out was that low in every election. Because if you don't really care, you shouldn't bother to vote.

 

 

My only grumble is the people who don't then complain. If you don't vote then you have no right to complain and that goes for all elections. As far as I am concerned you lose your right to criticize government if you do not vote.

[Rex Kickass]

You just announced how a lot of people feel about Lieberman.

 

Lieberman is posturing. If he loses decisively enough, no way is he going to stay in the race. If he loses by 8-10 points, he loses any support among his colleagues... and if he loses at all - he loses the support of his state party. He has a weak organization, and may not have the money to run a viable campaign all things being equal. In the primary alone, Lamont is spending a third of what Lieberman is spending.... and Lamont has the private bankroll to fund the entire thing if he needs to.

[minors]

You just announced how a lot of people feel about Lieberman.

 

Lieberman is posturing. If he loses decisively enough, no way is he going to stay in the race. If he loses by 8-10 points, he loses any support among his colleagues... and if he loses at all - he loses the support of his state party. He has a weak organization, and may not have the money to run a viable campaign all things being equal. In the primary alone, Lamont is spending a third of what Lieberman is spending.... and Lamont has the private bankroll to fund the entire thing if he needs to.

 

 

Liberman then needs to do the party a favor and quit.

[Rex Kickass]

I couldn't agree with you more. If you can't stand to lose a primary, don't run in a primary.

[minors]

I couldn't agree with you more. If you can't stand to lose a primary, don't run in a primary.

 

 

Rex,

 

When is that primary

[Mplssoxfan]

I'm not Rex, but the primary's Tuesday.

[EvilMonkey]

I wonder if Ned will remember blogs after he wins (?) the primary? He seems to have gotten amnesia about them for the moment, thanks to the blackface-thing.

http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=5233567&nav=3YeX

The picture was later pulled, but we did get reaction from both Lieberman and Lamont.

 

"I don't know anything about the blogs, I'm not responsible for those, I have no comment on 'em - she raised money for your campaign...Independent blogs, I can't say anything about it."

Hmm. His first tv campaign ad featured him sitting next to the biggest left-wing blogger around, Markos Moulitsas. Plus, his campaign has its own blog. And Hamsher, she of the blackface article, is a major contributer to Hufpo, as well as worked on his internet ads (there are numerous photos from the ad shoot available with them together). Lamont's campaign manager "asked if Lieberman would distance himself from some controversial supporters, such as conservative commentators Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity or Michelle Malkin." But when it comes to distancing himself from his controversial bloggers, he has no idea who they are? No knowledge of blogs? He HIMSELF blogged on DailyKos!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/31/19054/8664

Ethics, at its finest. Welcome to the club, Ned, you will fit right in.

[Rex Kickass]

So candidates are suddenly responsible for what their supporters put on the internet?

[Balta1701]

So candidates are suddenly responsible for what their supporters put on the internet?

Man, some of the stuff Bush-supporters have posted...

[EvilMonkey]

So candidates are suddenly responsible for what their supporters put on the internet?

Well, Ned's manager tried to make Joe responsible for Ann Coulter, of all people. I don't think Joe has ever met her, much less had an ad created by her, or had her travel with his campaign. There is some sort of responsibility you assume when you have people work with you or for you, so yes, to a degree, he is. If she didn't have such close ties to him, then no, he wouldn't. If Rush started calling the next Democratic Presidential candidate a , you know it would only take nanoseconds for the loony-left to start screaming for the Republican candidate to 'disavow' and distance himself from Rush, even if he had never even met Rush before.

 

But you completely skipped over the most important part, about how he lied to cover his ass, just like a seasoned politician when he claims no knowledge of blogs and their doings. Meet Ned, not just your average Joe, but also your average politician!

 

Man, some of the stuff Bush-supporters have posted...

Apples vs Oranges when talking 'supporters' vs 'staffers/volunteers'. The level of hate by the Bush supporters pales in comparison to almost anything you can find on DailyKos and HufPo. Now, if you have campaign volunteers stooping to the level of Hamsher, let me know.

[Balta1701]

Apples vs Oranges when talking 'supporters' vs 'staffers/volunteers'. The level of hate by the Bush supporters pales in comparison to almost anything you can find on DailyKos and HufPo. Now, if you have campaign volunteers stooping to the level of Hamsher, let me know.

LOL, man, you never have wandered through FreeRepublic or LGF have you.

 

But you completely skipped over the most important part, about how he lied to cover his ass, just like a seasoned politician when he claims no knowledge of blogs and their doings. Meet Ned, not just your average Joe, but also your average politician!

And so we shouldn't support Lamont because he's a politican and Lieberman is not?

[Rex Kickass]

Well, Ned's manager tried to make Joe responsible for Ann Coulter, of all people. I don't think Joe has ever met her, much less had an ad created by her, or had her travel with his campaign. There is some sort of responsibility you assume when you have people work with you or for you, so yes, to a degree, he is. If she didn't have such close ties to him, then no, he wouldn't. If Rush started calling the next Democratic Presidential candidate a , you know it would only take nanoseconds for the loony-left to start screaming for the Republican candidate to 'disavow' and distance himself from Rush, even if he had never even met Rush before.

 

But you completely skipped over the most important part, about how he lied to cover his ass, just like a seasoned politician when he claims no knowledge of blogs and their doings. Meet Ned, not just your average Joe, but also your average politician!

Apples vs Oranges when talking 'supporters' vs 'staffers/volunteers'. The level of hate by the Bush supporters pales in comparison to almost anything you can find on DailyKos and HufPo. Now, if you have campaign volunteers stooping to the level of Hamsher, let me know.

 

He said "I'm not responsible for independent blogs."

 

And somehow that becomes "I don't know that person. Not at all."

 

He refused to comment on independent blogs and that becomes disavowing meeting someone? That's a bit of a stretch. Does that mean the next time he doesn't comment on a story in the newspaper, that he clearly disavows the existence of that newspaper?

 

This is a big stretch for a campaign that's looking at a hard defeat in less than 48 hours.

[EvilMonkey]

He said "I'm not responsible for independent blogs."

 

And somehow that becomes "I don't know that person. Not at all."

 

He refused to comment on independent blogs and that becomes disavowing meeting someone? That's a bit of a stretch. Does that mean the next time he doesn't comment on a story in the newspaper, that he clearly disavows the existence of that newspaper?

 

This is a big stretch for a campaign that's looking at a hard defeat in less than 48 hours.

Wake up, Rex. The 'independent blogger' directed his campaign commercials, AND travels with his campaign exclusively. HEr having that level of access to him generate a slight bit of responsibility, at least to the point of distancing himself from her. He took her with him to his taping of the Colbert Report. No connection between the two? Open your eyes a bit.

http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-lamon...headlines-local

Lamont arrived with an entourage: His wife, Annie; their campaign driver, Marc Bradley; a blogger, Jane Hamsher; and Bill Hillsman, the creator of his offbeat ads, one of which was played weeks earlier on `The Colbert Report.'

He may very well win, I am just pointing out that he is already a seasoned politician, skilled at the many levels of creative lying and selective memory.

[Balta1701]

He may very well win, I am just pointing out that he is already a seasoned politician, skilled at the many levels of creative lying and selective memory.

I guess you're right, if this campaign is any indication, Lieberman must not be a seasoned politician, because his whole campaign has been a disaster. Maybe I should be supporting him?

 

[samclemens]

Lieberman Confronts Anti-War Criticism

 

This is an interesting article. According to this article, Lieberman is no longer getting completely killed at the polls, they say he is only down 54% to 41%. I know, thats a substantial margin, but its better than the last #s i saw, which had lieberman in the 30's.

[Balta1701]

Lieberman Confronts Anti-War Criticism

 

This is an interesting article. According to this article, Lieberman is no longer getting completely killed at the polls, they say he is only down 54% to 41%. I know, thats a substantial margin, but its better than the last #s i saw, which had lieberman in the 30's.

Unless you're seeing the internal polls, that 54-41 13 point Lamont lead was the worst poll for Joe that I've seen.

 

The most recent Q-Poll, from this morning, is 51-45 in favor of Lamont.

 

And that article you posted...well, the phrase "Fish in a barrel" comes to mind.

 

"I still believe that was right. What I don't think is right, as I have said over and over again, are many of the Bush administration decisions regarding the conduct of the war,"

Vs.

It's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge that he will be the commander in chief for three more critical years and that in matters of war we undermine presidential credibility at our nation's peril.

2005 and

Does America have a good plan for doing this, a strategy for victory in Iraq? Yes, we do. And it's important to make clear to the American people that the plan has not remained stubbornly still, but has changed over the years.