shawnhillegas Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 So is this going to be Neal's role as long as he's in a white sox uniform, or do people think that he will be moved back to starting in 2007 or 2008? It seemed so certain that he would be a starter two years ago, but now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 With the starting pitching we have in the minors and pros, and the success that Neal has had out of the pen, I find it hard to see him going back to starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 QUOTE(shawnhillegas @ Jul 4, 2006 -> 06:11 PM) So is this going to be Neal's role as long as he's in a white sox uniform, or do people think that he will be moved back to starting in 2007 or 2008? It seemed so certain that he would be a starter two years ago, but now... If Cotts ever does become a starter again, it won't be with the Sox. He's way too valuable/good in the role he's in now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 I have to agree... plus how do we know he even wants to go back to starting... I'd figure he has to be happy where he is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jul 4, 2006 -> 07:02 PM) I have to agree... plus how do we know he even wants to go back to starting... I'd figure he has to be happy where he is... his wallet and his agent would disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Starter = more money, less weekly work, less pressure (I would say) I bet he'd do anything to be a starter again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Jul 4, 2006 -> 07:08 PM) Starter = more money, less weekly work, less pressure (I would say) I bet he'd do anything to be a starter again. As a rule, starters are also way more valuable to a team: 200 IP vs. 70 IP. If Cotts can stretch himself out, it might not be such a bad thing to try to make him into a starter. However, I think our experiences from 2004 would indicate otherwise for Mr. Cotts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 He's a 2 pitch pitcher. He would not be a good starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 It has nothing to do with Cotts, really. If enough guys fail at some point, they'll try him, o/w, get comfy out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Jul 4, 2006 -> 07:08 PM) Starter = more money, less weekly work, less pressure (I would say) I bet he'd do anything to be a starter again. From the way he pitched in the Series last year, methinks not. And regardless, if you are in the majors, and you are good, you are going to get paid. When your 10 year earnings are near $30 million(which is what I imagine Cotts' will be at some point over a period of time, assuming he remains a solid ass reliever), I think you've made enough money. QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 4, 2006 -> 08:47 PM) He's a 2 pitch pitcher. He would not be a good starter. ^^^ = why he won't start You can add pitches, but I don't think the Sox are gonna mess with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jul 5, 2006 -> 01:01 AM) From the way he pitched in the Series last year, methinks not. And regardless, if you are in the majors, and you are good, you are going to get paid. When your 10 year earnings are near $30 million(which is what I imagine Cotts' will be at some point over a period of time, assuming he remains a solid ass reliever), I think you've made enough money. ^^^ = why he won't start You can add pitches, but I don't think the Sox are gonna mess with that I really don't think they will mess with it too, but I would think Neal would want to become a starter. I think hes absolutely happy where he is at now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 4, 2006 -> 06:47 PM) He's a 2 pitch pitcher. He would not be a good starter. ^^^ On top of that, reliable lefties in the 'pen are very valuable and the Sox will be under control of his contract for at least a few more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gojimthome Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Yeah, Neal's definitely going to have to add one or two breaking pitches before he can be a starter. Fastball/Changeup as your only pitches are great when you're throwing one inning after the hitters are already tired...Not so much at the beginning of a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 McCarthy is now in the same spot Cotts found himself in last year. The Sox might very well have to two of them in mind for starting roles in a few years. Maybe sooner. The Sox management said they wanted to satrt Cotts off slowly and let him work into the starting role when it became available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Jul 5, 2006 -> 03:56 PM) McCarthy is now in the same spot Cotts found himself in last year. The Sox might very well have to two of them in mind for starting roles in a few years. Maybe sooner. The Sox management said they wanted to satrt Cotts off slowly and let him work into the starting role when it became available. It's a pretty big difference though. Brandon actually has three pitches and has proven he can at least be a solid starter in this league. Neal on the other hand, has a good fastball and a meh slider and has just dominated in the bullpen. Bmac is going to be in the rotation come next year, Cotts on the other hand is going to be in the pen until he moves on to another team(which hopefully doesn't happen for a long, long time). Edited July 5, 2006 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 5, 2006 -> 05:06 PM) It's a pretty big difference though. Brandon actually has three pitches and has proven he can at least be a solid starter in this league. Neal on the other hand, has a good fastball and a meh slider and has just dominated in the bullpen. Bmac is going to be in the rotation come next year, Cotts on the other hand is going to be in the pen until he moves on to another team(which hopefully doesn't happen for a long, long time). Plus, Cotts is a lefty, and a solid lefty in the pen is more valuable than a solid righty simply because there are less good lefties than righties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 In 2005 89 pitchers appeared in 30 or more games and made 15 or more starts. They had an average salary of $4,026,593. 148 pitchers appeared in 30 or more games and had less than 15 starts. Average salary was $1,427,183. As in little league, college or the minors the best pitchers are used to start games and with a few exceptions, that’s where the money is. Neal is 26 years old in this 3rd full season, after his reserve and arb years, if he can put in 5 years as an average starter instead of a reliever it could mean a difference of 13 million dollars. That’s a lot of money, even in Belleville, IL. He has to try for it, even if he has to agitate or move to another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 QUOTE(TLAK @ Jul 6, 2006 -> 05:39 AM) In 2005 89 pitchers appeared in 30 or more games and made 15 or more starts. They had an average salary of $4,026,593. 148 pitchers appeared in 30 or more games and had less than 15 starts. Average salary was $1,427,183. As in little league, college or the minors the best pitchers are used to start games and with a few exceptions, that’s where the money is. Neal is 26 years old in this 3rd full season, after his reserve and arb years, if he can put in 5 years as an average starter instead of a reliever it could mean a difference of 13 million dollars. That’s a lot of money, even in Belleville, IL. He has to try for it, even if he has to agitate or move to another team. Neal also has to know it's a gamble though. The Cubs threw $12 million at Scott Eyre because Eyre had 1 good year last year. When Cotts hits FA, he'll be younger, with better stuff, a longer history of success (we hope), and maybe even can compete for a closer's job somewhere. On the other hand, if he tries to stretch his arm back out to be a starter, it may take some time, he may struggle, and it could cost him a lot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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