Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:31 PM) Why does Podsednik deserve any respect? Statistics don't lie. The only thing the guy does better than other qualified AL leadoff men is steal bases and score runs, and both of those statistics are clearly overvalued, as one has a smallish chance of contributing to a victory and the other is the product of the hitters behind you. So it took you a year and a half to come to the conclusion that Pods sucks? OK. So did you think this last year? Like I said, other than defense, he's either as good or slightly better in '06 than he was in '05. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchtower41 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:30 PM) Hasn't Owens increased his average by quite a bit over the first half also? Considering he's up to .249, and IIRC he was down around the Mendoza line for a while. he has improved greatly, and I'm extremely happy for his progress... problem is, there were more than a few people on this board that wanted Owens starting in front of Pods or Anderson when he was below the Mendoza line. If Pods beat Ricky Henderson's sb record, people around here would still b**** about him.... Thinking Pablo or Rob Base would do better for us defensively in LF is ludacris....... how many passed balls on dives would it take, doubles turned into triples, for this theory to actually make sense to some?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:34 PM) Carl Crawford? Yeah, he sure wouldn't cost a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(watchtower41 @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:35 PM) he has improved greatly, and I'm extremely happy for his progress... problem is, there were more than a few people on this board that wanted Owens starting in front of Pods or Anderson when he was below the Mendoza line. If Pods beat Ricky Henderson's sb record, people around here would still b**** about him.... Thinking Pablo or Rob Base would do better for us defensively in LF is ludacris....... how many passed balls on dives would it take, doubles turned into triples, for this theory to actually make sense to some?? HAHA, Rob Mackowiak is a very very good corner OF with an excellent arm, Pods isn't even comparable to him. Don't let the fact that he's mainly playing out of position this year confuse you, he's much better defensively than you've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(watchtower41 @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:35 PM) he has improved greatly, and I'm extremely happy for his progress... problem is, there were more than a few people on this board that wanted Owens starting in front of Pods or Anderson when he was below the Mendoza line. If Pods beat Ricky Henderson's sb record, people around here would still b**** about him.... Thinking Pablo or Rob Base would do better for us defensively in LF is ludacris....... how many passed balls on dives would it take, doubles turned into triples, for this theory to actually make sense to some?? I absolutely guarantee you that Rob would be better in LF than Pods. I f***ing guarantee it. And Ozuna would be a wash at best, but would be much better offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 04:37 PM) I absolutely guarantee you that Rob would be better in LF than Pods. I f***ing guarantee it. And Ozuna would be a wash at best, but would be much better offensively. There's a reason Pablo is a bench player. He's a good bench player, but he's just that, a bench player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted July 10, 2006 Author Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:35 PM) So it took you a year and a half to come to the conclusion that Pods sucks? OK. So did you think this last year? Like I said, other than defense, he's either as good or slightly better in '06 than he was in '05. For the first half last year, his statistics were off the charts, almost a .300 average, a .370 OBP and a jillion steals. His second half he was injured, which became a convenient excuse to explain away how he forgot how to steal a base, how he forgot how to take a pitch, and how he forgot how to hit singles quite as well. I think he was like a .250 hitter in the second half. I excused this as him just playing hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Felix @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:39 PM) There's a reason Pablo is a bench player. He's a good bench player, but he's just that, a bench player. I see no harm in letting him and Mackowiak get a chance to platoon for a week or so. He wouldn't be a starter, basically a platoon guy against lefties. There are a lot less lefties in baseball than righties, so he wouldn't see an absurd amount of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:37 PM) I absolutely guarantee you that Rob would be better in LF than Pods. I f***ing guarantee it. And Ozuna would be a wash at best, but would be much better offensively. Except Mack is not, nor should he ever be, a starter. And it's easy to slobber over Ozuna while he's hitting over .400. Ozuna is a bench player, that's it. If he were to start playing as much or close to as much as Podsednik, he would be exposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted July 10, 2006 Author Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:35 PM) Yeah, he sure wouldn't cost a lot. You asked the question, there is your answer. Clearly available, and clearly a significant upgrade from Podsednik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:41 PM) Except Mack is not, nor should he ever be, a starter. And it's easy to slobber over Ozuna while he's hitting over .400. Ozuna is a bench player, that's it. If he were to start playing as much or close to as much as Podsednik, he would be exposed. He was already starting against basically every single lefty we saw. And Mackowiak has basically been a starter this entire year anyway. So they've both had a whole lot of playing time this year, and they're still doing pretty damn well. I say give them a chance in LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:40 PM) For the first half last year, his statistics were off the charts, almost a .300 average, a .370 OBP and a jillion steals. His second half he was injured, which became a convenient excuse to explain away how he forgot how to steal a base, how he forgot how to take a pitch, and how he forgot how to hit singles quite as well. I think he was like a .250 hitter in the second half. I excused this as him just playing hurt. He actually hit .284 in the second half (including a .337 September) last year. His second half wasn't the same as the first half because he was hurt. It wasn't an excuse. It was fact. You could clearly see he was laboring. He wasn't placed on the DL for fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:41 PM) Except Mack is not, nor should he ever be, a starter. And it's easy to slobber over Ozuna while he's hitting over .400. Ozuna is a bench player, that's it. If he were to start playing as much or close to as much as Podsednik, he would be exposed. Also this is all opinion, not fact. The only way to see if this is true, would be for Pablo to begin a platoon in LF which more than likely will not happen. But remember, until there's any actual proof this is simply opinion being displayed as fact in some cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted July 10, 2006 Author Share Posted July 10, 2006 What is the reason why Ozuna is necessarily a bench player? The fact he has never been given a chance in his career to ever start? Honestly, who knows what we are missing out on with this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Greg, Great analysis. One of the best Pods SB breakdowns I have seen. I did notice May 17th was missing though (vs TB), Pods went 2-5 with a 1 run, 1 RBI, and 1 SB. His steal directly resulting in his score and at the time was the tying run. The Sox won 5-2. The most glaring stat about Pods is the Sox record when he steals a base: 18-3. That is amazing. For a stat that is supposed to not have that much meaning, that is pretty remarkable. You can look at it two ways, he is stealing when the Sox have a lead or he is actually somehow affecting the outcome of the game. The Sox are also 42-10 when he gets a hit. Pods has been very disappointing this year, especially with his glove, but most of his numbers are better than last year: 63 runs in 80 games compared to 80 runs in 129 games 6 triples compared to 1 last year 2 HRs compared to 0 last year 33 RBI compared to 25 last year 38 BBs with 312 ABs to 47 BBs with 507 ABs last year OBP about the same SLG up .042 OPS up .044 BA down .024 w/ RISP he is batting .339 in 62 ABs If he can bring his BA back over .280 and get his ass in gear on D, he is actually a fairly decent leadoff man. So if he can get better on Defense, what else can we expect of him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:45 PM) What is the reason why Ozuna is necessarily a bench player? The fact he has never been given a chance in his career to ever start? Honestly, who knows what we are missing out on with this guy. Yep, he's been passed over for most of his career mainly due to inconsistency and poor defensive play. I don't think anyone really knows what he could be capable of if he were given a starting job and the backing of management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:44 PM) Also this is all opinion, not fact. The only way to see if this is true, would be for Pablo to begin a platoon in LF which more than likely will not happen. But remember, until there's any actual proof this is simply opinion being displayed as fact in some cases. Nice catch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:42 PM) You asked the question, there is your answer. Clearly available, and clearly a significant upgrade from Podsednik. But it's not realistic. So what's the point of even bringing him up? The point of this thread, I guess, was to point out that Pods sucks (something I don't agree with) and we need somebody better. So who could we realstically get that's better before the 31st? The answer is no one. So I don't see the point in b****ing about a guy that we one, won a title with last year as our leadoff man, and two, have a pretty good chance of winning another title with this year. I'd be much more concerned with our starting rotation and replacing Cliffy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted July 10, 2006 Author Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:48 PM) But it's not realistic. So what's the point of even bringing him up? The point of this thread, I guess, was to point out that Pods sucks (something I don't agree with) and we need somebody better. So who could we realstically get that's better before the 31st? The answer is no one. So I don't see the point in b****ing about a guy that we one, won a title with last year as our leadoff man, and two, have a pretty good chance of winning another title with this year. I'd be much more concerned with our starting rotation and replacing Cliffy. I think I outlined my solution pretty clearly in the last sentence of my initial post, to platoon Ozuna full-time. I never said anything about trading him, but because you asked and said you couldn't find anyone available better than Podsednik, I humored you, took a passing glance at the list and found you one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Chone Figgins appears to be available, he can put up similar offensive numbers to Podsednik while playing much better defense with an excellent arm and bring some great versatility to the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:44 PM) Also this is all opinion, not fact. The only way to see if this is true, would be for Pablo to begin a platoon in LF which more than likely will not happen. But remember, until there's any actual proof this is simply opinion being displayed as fact in some cases. LOL. Give me a break, Kalapse. I know you don't believe for a second Ozuna could do what he's doing now if he was an everyday player. You hate Pods. You make that clear every single day. You'd have D.J. give up the booth to play LF if you could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted July 10, 2006 Author Share Posted July 10, 2006 Wait, DJ might be available to play LF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:51 PM) I think I outlined my solution pretty clearly in the last sentence of my initial post, to platoon Ozuna full-time. I never said anything about trading him, but because you asked and said you couldn't find anyone available better than Podsednik, I humored you, took a passing glance at the list and found you one. But we shouldn't try to upgrade, even if it's from parts already on the team, since there are more glaring needs. So it's basically fix the biggest problems and forget about the smaller ones, even though you may easily be able to fix the latter. QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:52 PM) LOL. Give me a break, Kalapse. I know you don't believe for a second Ozuna could do what he's doing now if he was an everyday player. You hate Pods. You make that clear every single day. You'd have D.J. give up the booth to play LF if you could. Ozuna had already been platooning with Pods in LF before he got hurt, and he still kept the average up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:52 PM) LOL. Give me a break, Kalapse. I know you don't believe for a second Ozuna could do what he's doing now if he was an everyday player. You hate Pods. You make that clear every single day. You'd have D.J. give up the booth to play LF if you could. I really don't know what he could do as a starter, no one has ever given him a chance to play even semi-regularly. I never said he'd hit .400+ as an everyday starter but to say that you know for a fact that he couldn't put up some pretty solid offensive numbers while displaying better baserunning than podsednik seems pretty silly. Unless you're some sort of freaky deaky psychic, I'm not really sure how you can make these definative statements. I do not hate Podsednik, I just don't think he's very good. I don't really carry grudges and hate on players for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 10, 2006 -> 03:54 PM) Ozuna had already been platooning with Pods in LF before he got hurt, and he still kept the average up. So what are you complaining about then? Ozuna gets his run against lefties. Anything more than that would be basically be starting, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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