Vazquez

[sircaffey]

Trade Vazquez to the Mets for prospects.

 

Turn around, trade prospects for Schmidt.

[knightni]

Milledge ain't being traded.

 

He's like a young Carl Everett though.

 

Loud, a bit of a hot dog and iffy defense.

[Sonik22]

Trade Vazquez to the Mets for prospects.

 

Turn around, trade prospects for Schmidt.

Well that works but we could also turn that into a 3 team deal where the giants would get all the prospects, but they are still in a race themselves, so they would need a starter in return for JS.

[SoxAce]

Well that works but we could also turn that into a 3 team deal where the giants would get all the prospects, but they are still in a race themselves, so they would need a starter in return for JS.

 

Plus that wouldn't be the Giants "forte" eigher. Their management loves the proven veterans, kinda like the Yankees philosophy.

[rangercal]

I would rather not trade with the # 1 contender in the national league. Imagine if we gave Houston Contreras last year? Not saying he was rumored to go there. But, their were rumors he was out the door. That's why I dont pay much attention to trade winds like I did last year.

[YASNY]

Basically, this idea has been thoroughly shot down.

[witesoxfan]

I do have one question, for those who would know this type of thing...

 

signed 4-Year EXTENSION worth 45M- + received a 2M signing bonus- will make 8.5M in 2004, 10.5M in 2005, 11.5M in 2006, and 12.5M in 2007- (1.) + 3M each year of his 2005, 2006 and 2007 salaries is contributed by the Yankees- + invoked his right by parameters set by the CBA to demand a trade on 11/11/05 because he was traded in the middle of a multi-year contract (if he is not traded by March 15th, 2006 then he may forfeit remaining salaries and declare free agency)- + as a result of demanding a trade and then receiving the trade, he can not become a free agent until three seasons after the trade, meaning he will eligible for arbitration following the 2007 season and eligible for free agency after the 2008 season- (2.)+ 1M of 2006 salary paid by ARI and 3M of 2007 salary paid by ARI

 

There is different wording within each of those...

 

1. It mentions that $3 mill of his salary is contributed. By the way it is worded, it seems to me that the Yankees are paying this regardless of where he is traded.

2. From the way it is worded, it appears that the DBacks are giving cash to the White Sox, and not taking on salary regardless of where he goes.

 

Am I thinking right, or am I completely wrong?

[DBAHO]

Wasn't Omar Minaya really interested in him as well, and he likes him quite a lot IIRC.

 

But of course it would depend on what they gave up. Pelfrey and Milledge are pipe dreams. Guys like Sanchez and Heilman may not be.

 

Of course it's highly unlikely Vaz would be moved anyway.

[Capn12]

So, am I way off base here in reading:

 

2006: ChiSox are only paying 7.5 mil of Javys salary this year

2007: ChiSox are only paying 6.5 mil of Javys salary this year

 

[beck72]

So, am I way off base here in reading:

 

2006: ChiSox are only paying 7.5 mil of Javys salary this year

2007: ChiSox are only paying 6.5 mil of Javys salary this year

 

I think that's about right. Vazquez at those numbers, locked up for three yrs [with him being arb. eligible in 2008 then he could be a free agent], would be decent for a team in need of an innings eater. He has value, esp. if you consider he'd be like signing a free agent. And judging at what other SP's have gotten-like Loaiza and his 3 yr deal for $8 mill per-Javy isn't that bad.

[DBAHO]

I think that's about right. Vazquez at those numbers, locked up for three yrs [with him being arb. eligible in 2008 then he could be a free agent], would be decent for a team in need of an innings eater. He has value, esp. if you consider he'd be like signing a free agent. And judging at what other SP's have gotten-like Loaiza and his 3 yr deal for $8 mill per-Javy isn't that bad.

Especially when there's really nothing wrong physically with Javy, it's all mental which is certainly fixable, it's just going to take time.

[beck72]

Especially when there's really nothing wrong physically with Javy, it's all mental which is certainly fixable, it's just going to take time.

The only question is whether or not Coop and Ozzie are able to or are willing to wait it out. With Javy's little "tantrums" on the mound when he doesn't get a call, they may not be willing to wait until he matures [which Javy is close to age 30, this shouldn't be an issue].

[DBAHO]

Ok so the N.Y Daily News is onto it;

 

The White Sox have been calling around to clubs - including the Mets - letting it be known that Javier Vazquez or Freddy Garcia would be available. The price: top-notch relief help, which would allow the Sox to fortify their bullpen leading to closer Bobby Jenks, sources told the Daily News. Chicago has 23-year-old Brandon McCarthy ready to step into its rotation.

 

So that would be Sanchez and / or Heilman I am assuming (like I said earlier).

 

EDIT: Would help if I read the whole article now;

 

Omar Minaya has long been fond of Vazquez and pursued the former Expo last winter, before he was sent from the Diamondbacks to the White Sox for current Met Orlando Hernandez as well as reliever Luiz Vizcaino and outfield prospect Chris Young. He's 9-4 with a 5.07 ERA this season, while Garcia is 10-5 with a 4.91 ERA.

 

 

Of course, the Mets have been hesitant to tinker with their bullpen, going so far as to start Jose Lima during the last home stand so Darren Oliver could maintain his long-relief role. A deal for either White Sox starter would seem to have to include Duaner Sanchez or Aaron Heilman, the primary setup men to Billy Wagner. The Mets could gamble on rookie Henry Owens if they borrowed from their bullpen to address their starting pitching.

[Rowand44]

Ok so the N.Y Daily News is onto it;

So that would be Sanchez and / or Heilman I am assuming (like I said earlier).

If something like that happens, Kenny stole my idea. Trading for top notch relief help and putting McCarthy into the rotation. See, this gm stuff ain't that hard.

[beck72]

Ok so the N.Y Daily News is onto it;

So that would be Sanchez and / or Heilman I am assuming (like I said earlier).

 

EDIT: Would help if I read the whole article now;

 

Which makes a Houston deal for Burke and Qualls more sensible

[Rowand44]

Which makes a Houston deal for Burke and Qualls more sensible

True, but Houston doesn't need starting pitching help the way the Mets do.

Edited July 14, 2006 by Rowand44

[DBAHO]

True, but Houston doesn't need starting pitching help the way the Mets do.

Yeah they've got capable replacements in Fernando Nieve and Wandy Rodriguez (who I know has been terrible lately but he was good early).

 

If anything, I'd thought they'd try to acquire another bat, offering Lane and prospects. Should go all out for Miggy Tejada.

[beck72]

True, but Houston doesn't need starting pitching help the way the Mets do.

 

If these reports are true [which they probably are, as it's easy to confirm publicly the sox are calling clubs and saying what players are available], the sox can shop for the best deal. Either Javy or Freddy would be the best available SP this yr. for any team that needs help in the rotation

 

Yeah they've got capable replacements in Fernando Nieve and Wandy Rodriguez (who I know has been terrible lately but he was good early).

 

If anything, I'd thought they'd try to acquire another bat, offering Lane and prospects. Should go all out for Miggy Tejada.

But Pettite and the other 2 SP's besides Oswalt and Clemens all have ERA's over 5.00. Better SP helps the offense. And strong pitching is Houston's M.O. With Clemens probably done after this yr, they'd also have Vazquez for two more yrs after this yr.

[Rowand44]

If these reports are true [which they probably are, as it's easy to confirm publicly the sox are calling clubs and saying what players are available], the sox can shop for the best deal. Either Javy or Freddy would be the best available SP this yr. for any team that needs help in the rotation

I agree. I just don't see Houston trying to upgrade their rotation though. They still need more offense and if they're going to trade someone with good value like a Burke or a Qualls then I think it would be for some more offense.

 

If these reports are true [which they probably are, as it's easy to confirm publicly the sox are calling clubs and saying what players are available], the sox can shop for the best deal. Either Javy or Freddy would be the best available SP this yr. for any team that needs help in the rotation

But Pettite and the other 2 SP's besides Oswalt and Clemens all have ERA's over 5.00. Better SP helps the offense. And strong pitching is Houston's M.O. With Clemens probably done after this yr, they'd also have Vazquez for two more yrs after this yr.

Bucholz has also started to pitch very, very well as of late and at least to me he is a pretty impressive pitcher. Like I said, I just don't see them trading for starting pitching but obviously I could be wrong.

Edited July 14, 2006 by Rowand44

[DBAHO]

But Pettite and the other 2 SP's besides Oswalt and Clemens all have ERA's over 5.00. Better SP helps the offense. And strong pitching is Houston's M.O. With Clemens probably done after this yr, they'd also have Vazquez for two more yrs after this yr.

Brandon Backe's back in the rotation now with a 2.25 ERA in 2 starts and Taylor Buchholz has only given up 12 ER in his last 5 starts, so SP wise it's not as bad as it appears on paper, kind of like the White Sox rotation.

 

They also have the likes of Hirsch ready to jump up to the majors next season for Clemens.

[beck72]

I agree. I just don't see Houston trying to upgrade their rotation though. They still need more offense and if they're going to trade someone with good value like a Burke or a Qualls then I think it would be for some more offense.

Bucholz has also started to pitch very, very well as of late and at least to me he is a pretty impressive pitcher. Like I said, I just don't see them trading for starting pitching but obviously I could be wrong.

 

If the sox are willing to trade Javy or Freddy for top notch bullpen help, they probably will be able to get the best deal possible, whoever the trade partner is.

[Rowand44]

If the sox are willing to trade Javy or Freddy for top notch bullpen help, they probably will be able to get the best deal possible, whoever the trade partner is.

I just don't see Houston as a great trading partner for one of our sp's. Their rotation is just very solid 1-5 and I don't think they're going to use some of their better trading chips to add another starter when they have much bigger problems. Like I said though, I could be wrong.

[beck72]

What other possible trading partners are out there, besides the Mets and Astros, who also would be in the market for Javy and have bullpen help?

 

Texas? Cordero is in set up now--and he's had closer experience

 

-----------------If these teams looked at Jeff WEaver, they should be interested in Javy

 

 

Several teams eyeing Weaver

July 5

Los Angeles Times (scroll down) (registration required): "The Dodgers, St. Louis Cardinals, San Diego Padres, New York Mets, Milwaukee Brewers, Boston Red Sox and Texas Rangers all are thought to have some interest. The Cincinnati Reds and Arizona Diamondbacks could consider Weaver too."

Edited July 14, 2006 by beck72

[Capn12]

If other teams are willing to take on a headcase for their rotation in Weaver, then surely they are willing to bite on Garcia or Javy....though I'm not quite sure which I'd be more willing to move right now honestly...

[beck72]

Texas might be looking for a SP. Franciso Cordero in set up for the sox would be a nice move. Texas does have a nice bullpen that could absorb his loss

 

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