Vazquez

[witesoxfan]

Rowand,

I agree, having Garland and Jose signed really makes it easier to deal any of your starters. But Kenny has been drooling over Vazquez since 2003/2004. This is one of "his guys." I understand the $ situation, but this just doesn't seem to me to be something which would need to be addressed NOW. It seems like something that could be dealt with in the offseason, especially if the return on any deal right now is a reliever.

 

Let me ask you this. With what Kenny dealt to acquire Thornton and Riske, do you honestly see him dealing an innings-eating starting pitcher with Javy's kind of stuff, for 1 reliever? Now?

 

I just can't fathom that.

 

I could understand a Freddy trade possibly, and maybe to the Mets, since I don't think that the organization would hang Freddy out to dry by sending him to some schlep team (considering what he did for the org and his ties to the org now), but still. Read every quote Kenny has made in the past year or so and tell me that you think he would deal one of our starters for a reliever right now.

 

Yay, we agree on something.

 

He'd give up something of value for Gordon, but it's not gonna be a starting pitcher that's in the rotation. One more great bullpen arm will not hurt the team, and it won't cripple the organization.

 

I think, if anything, we may end up surprised at what KW gets in return. If he were to get one of Sanchez or Heilman, great, outstanding...but he's gotta get more along with one of those two, be it Pelfrey, Milledge, or two solid prospects, I don't care(but Flash does )...if the right offer comes, you must pull the trigger. And if he does trade a starting pitcher, it has to be Garcia. We can hate Vazquez's contract all we want to, but one thing it does provide is security. Garcia's contract is up after next year, where we have Vazquez till atleast '08, guaranteed.

[Chisoxfn]

Folks, Javy is going nowhere this season. Only contenders take on $12 million/yr contracts, and there ain't no contender that is trading us what we want/need.

 

Forget about trading Javier Vazquez.

We won't deal with a legit contender, but the Sox may deal with a team looking to retool for next year (kind of like the Sox were doing when we swung deals for Jose and Freddy just before the break; obviously Kenny thought the team could make the playoffs, but he also had his eye on the future).

 

The Mets aren't that team, but I'm sure there are a few teams that may have some money to spend and would be willing to give up a player or two that aren't in there long term plans for a pitcher that could turn into a front of the rotation guy (especially with them only being on the hook for like 6.5 mill or so next year).

 

If something like that happens, Kenny stole my idea. Trading for top notch relief help and putting McCarthy into the rotation. See, this gm stuff ain't that hard.

I'd want both and that would seriously upgrade the pen, but I don't think the Mets would take that much away from there pen.

[DBAHO]

From the Trib;

 

SI.com also reported the Sox have interest in Dodgers rookie reliever Jonathan Braxton, although the Dodgers are thought to be seeking relief help now that closer Eric Gagne is out for the the season."

 

First time I've seen Broxton mentioned. Would love to nab him. Has a great arm, and would be an excellent set-up guy for the years to come.

[beck72]

From the Trib;

First time I've seen Broxton mentioned. Would love to nab him. Has a great arm, and would be an excellent set-up guy for the years to come.

With the dodgers bullpen problems, Broxton could be to them what Jenks was to us last yr. I don't see him being moved

[DBAHO]

With the dodgers bullpen problems, Broxton could be to them what Jenks was to us last yr. I don't see him being moved

I don't think the Dodgers pen is as bad as advertised. Gagne is a huge loss no doubt. But these guys have done ok;

 

Saito - 2.05 ERA

Beimel - 3.09 ERA

Broxton - 3.29 ERA

Carrara - 3.52 ERA

Baez - 3.94 ERA

 

But out of those 5, Broxton would be the hardest to get. He should really be going nowhere, unless Ned Colletti really decides he needs another starter. Mark Hendrickson wasn't really a good trade for them so far.

[AWhiteSoxinNJ]

I don't think the Dodgers pen is as bad as advertised. Gagne is a huge loss no doubt. But these guys have done ok;

 

Saito - 2.05 ERA

Beimel - 3.09 ERA

Broxton - 3.29 ERA

Carrara - 3.52 ERA

Baez - 3.94 ERA

 

But out of those 5, Broxton would be the hardest to get. He should really be going nowhere, unless Ned Colletti really decides he needs another starter. Mark Hendrickson wasn't really a good trade for them so far.

 

Saito has been extremely good this year. So much so that he's replaced Baez as there closer after Gagne went down, again.

[DBAHO]

Saito has been extremely good this year. So much so that he's replaced Baez as there closer after Gagne went down, again.

Yeah which has been ABSOLUTELY huge for them, after what Baez went through earlier this season.

 

Been one of the best relievers in baseball this season. Will be interesting to see if it can continue for him next season, cos we've seen the likes of Shingo struggle.