VAfan Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 (edited) With all the talk of Vazquez/Garcia for Gordon, what about spicing the deal up a bit by swapping outfielders too? Depending on how much Philly wants to dump Abreu's contract, the Sox might not even have to toss in any minor leaguers, but adding a minor league pitcher or two might seal the deal. Abreu would hit lead off and play left field. The Sox would take on his full contract for the remainder of this year and next year, but it would be buffered a bit by the roughly $4 million difference between Vazquez's and Gordon's contracts. Abreu would be a perfect lead off hitter for the Sox. He's got the best OBP of any outfielder in the game, and at .443 is third overall, behind only Travis Hafner and Joe Mauer. Plus, he has 19 SBs and 4 CSs, so his running is much more efficient than Scott Podsednik's. Bobby Abreu Phi 294 57 85 22 2 8 60 19 4 85 .289 .443 .459 .902 Scott Podsednik CWS 318 63 88 19 6 2 34 29 12 38 .277 .353 .393 .746 Plus, Abreu's Home/Away and L/R splits indicate he's very consistent. Indeed, he hits lefties better than righties. Thus teams won't be able to use a lefty reliever on Abreu/Iguchi/Thome as easily as they do now for Pods/Iguchi/Thome. Abreu's splits Home 149 32 43 10 1 5 34 43 1 36 11 2 .289 .442 .470 .911 Away 145 26 42 12 1 3 26 42 0 38 8 2 .290 .444 .448 .893 vs. Left 96 19 31 5 2 3 18 22 1 28 4 1 .323 .446 .510 .957 vs. Right 198 39 54 17 0 5 42 63 0 46 15 3 .273 .442 .434 .876 Pod's splits vs. Left 102 15 22 3 1 1 8 9 1 23 7 4 .216 .283 .294 .577 vs. Right 211 48 64 15 5 1 26 29 0 33 22 8 .303 .384 .436 .820 Under this deal, we would keep Abreu for this year and next, then probably let him go. We're not going to keep Podsednik any longer than that anyway. Abreu would be a fabulous lead off hitter, and would likely waive his no-trade clause to come play for fellow Venezuelan Ozzie Guillen. With Gordon in the bullpen and McCarthy in the rotation, we likely improve both areas of pitching in one fell swoop. If Philly doesn't want Pods, they don't have to offer him arbitration when he's eligible. This is all about dumping Abreu's $16 million contract a year early. If we give them a bona fide starter and a couple more minor league arms, they should bite. Edited July 16, 2006 by VAfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I forget the stat that Fox said yesterday. Something along the lines of Pods hitting .330 in sox wins and like .188 in sox losses. The sox don't need Abreu. And Vazquez has as big a chance of any SP on the sox of improving in the 2nd half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 (edited) Sounds good to me. I was thinking the same thing. Abreu>>>Pods Gordon>>McCarthy McCarthy>Vazquez Edited July 16, 2006 by South Side Fireworks Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I hope Kenny Williams doesn't get his hands on you. I don't see this happening at all either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Is this an actual rumor or something you would like to see? If it's the latter, I can come up with 100 trades I would like to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 That's not bad. But, who leads off then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 QUOTE(knightni @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 12:25 PM) But, who leads off then? QUOTE(VAfan @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 11:35 AM) Abreu would hit lead off and play left field. The Sox would take on his full contract for the remainder of this year and next year, but it would be buffered a bit by the roughly $4 million difference between Vazquez's and Gordon's contracts. Abreu would be a perfect lead off hitter for the Sox. He's got the best OBP of any outfielder in the game, and at .443 is third overall, behind only Travis Hafner and Joe Mauer. Plus, he has 19 SBs and 4 CSs, so his running is much more efficient than Scott Podsednik's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I don't want Abreu leading off... That's a waste of his offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Here's what Kenny Williams said last nite about trading one of his starters: "If people would just take the time to look at what has been consistent, it's a pretty easy answer.'' Since the start of the season, Williams has said his five starting pitchers are going to remain in a Sox uniform for at least the 2006 season. While the Sox tried to trade Garcia last offseason, Williams wants six starters -- including former starter-turned-reliever Brandon McCarthy -- at his disposal down the stretch. "Here's the plan, the same plan there was in spring training: Go through the season with the five,'' Williams said. "If something happens to one of the five, Brandon then steps in. Aside from that, if we are fortunate enough to get in the playoff situation, a short-series situation, we take one of the five and move one of the five to the bullpen to help us in that capacity.'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Wow, I wonder who he tried shopping Garcia to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted July 16, 2006 Author Share Posted July 16, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 12:07 PM) Is this an actual rumor or something you would like to see? If it's the latter, I can come up with 100 trades I would like to see. It is a little of both. The Vazquez/Gordon part of it has been rumored, as can be seen from other posts. I don't think that deal returns enough value to the Sox. But adding Abreu as a lead off man in place of Pods would more than balance it out. Abreu is miscast as a #3 hitter. He's an ideal lead off man, however, and could be the best in the game if he played for the Sox. It would make our already #1 offense that much better. And given the way our starters have been going, we may need all the offense we can get. QUOTE(knightni @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 12:28 PM) I don't want Abreu leading off... That's a waste of his offense. Why do you think Big Papi is beating Thome in RBI? In large part because Youklis's OBP is .400 and Mark Loretta's is .358. Compare that to Pods at .353 and Iguchi at .342. Abreu is a walk machine with some decent speed. On a team with Thome, Konerko, and Dye, let him get on and score runs. Plus, if Uribe and Anderson come on at the bottom of the order, Abreu can still drive in runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 (edited) Living in the Philly area I see a lot of Phillies games since it's the local team I get, we do not want anything to do with Abreu. The media and philly fans here have been crying for Abreu to lead off for years now and refuses because he wants his numbers. His gold glove he got last year is considered a joke in the Philly area because he's horrible in the OF, and Rowand's catch has only put more of a light on his poor defense. So we do not want Abreu at all. Edited July 16, 2006 by AWhiteSoxinNJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Not 2 mention ever since the HR derby last year Abreu has seemed to lose all his power.... and that huge contract... I dont really want anything to do with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gojimthome Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 01:41 PM) Not 2 mention ever since the HR derby last year Abreu has seemed to lose all his power.... and that huge contract... I dont really want anything to do with him. Yeah, who'd want anything to do with a guy leading his league in OBP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Sounds good to me but does it really make sense for Philly. That would be exactly what we needed. Talk about a feared line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 We need pitching. Gordon would be nice, but forget ARow or Abreu. Anderson has impressed me lately with his hitting, maybe he can have a hot 2nd half? I think KW will try to bank on that. I was on the "Lets get Rowand back" train for awhile but CF isn't our problem its pitching. Pitching pitching pitching! We can't afford to give up 6-7 runs a game every time one of our 'aces' goes out there. Try to get Gordon, but also try to improve the rotation some how. KW really has to decide on which of his pitchers will turn it around Javy or Freddy and from that make a deal. McCarthy is capable to start this season, but it might take him awhile to re-adjust to starting games. Jason Schmidt would be a nice addition, but as long as its for the right price. Should be interesting to see what KW does, but unlike last year, HE BETTER do something. (Not that im bashing the Blum move ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 QUOTE(DrunkBomber @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 03:17 PM) Sounds good to me but does it really make sense for Philly. That would be exactly what we needed. Talk about a feared line up. Well,of course it makes sense to us. Its an incredibly one sided trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnhillegas Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I really dont think anyone wants Pods I dont want to pay an outfielder 15 million dollars That means Freddy has to pitch all year; NO WAY do i want that happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 There is no way Philly does that without the Sox giving up someone like Fields too. I would love to see that move but it is totally lopsided for the Sox. McCarthy starting in place of Vazquez/Garcia Gordon in relief in place of McCarthy Abreu in LF in place of Pods Too good to be true without giving up more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 QUOTE(knightni @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 11:28 AM) I don't want Abreu leading off... That's a waste of his offense. statistically speaking it's not. abreu would get more at bats, giving him more opportunities to get on base, drive in some runs. How many times do we see uribe/anderson on base w/ 2 outs then pods comes up and strikes out looking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 08:49 AM) Sounds good to me. I was thinking the same thing. Abreu>>>Pods Gordon>>McCarthy McCarthy>Vazquez You haven't watched Brandon pitch much have you? Or are you just saying BMac out of the bullpen? I might agree with that part, but I really don't like seeing Gordon>>McCarthy at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 03:59 PM) You haven't watched Brandon pitch much have you? Or are you just saying BMac out of the bullpen? I might agree with that part, but I really don't like seeing Gordon>>McCarthy at all. right NOW gordon is better, but if you're talking potential i'd take BMAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 01:59 PM) There is no way Philly does that without the Sox giving up someone like Fields too. If we pick up Abreu's contract there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 05:00 PM) If we pick up Abreu's contract there is. I just don't see it straight up, even if we take his contract. The Phillies can get more for those two players than just Vazquez and Pods, and they know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gojimthome Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 04:05 PM) I just don't see it straight up, even if we take his contract. The Phillies can get more for those two players than just Vazquez and Pods, and they know that. Agreed. If Kenny could pull that one off, he'd earn the right to walk around in public wearing a velvet pimp cape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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