shoota Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 (edited) As KW said, the Sox don't need mediocre pitching help, they need dominance. Zambrano is dominant. I'd feel quite comfortable going into the playoffs with Contreras, Buehrle and Zambrano as my top three pitchers. Trading Garcia and Vazquez and only getting one SP in return opens a rotation spot for McCarthy. This makes sense for the Cubs since it improves on their lack of starting pitching depth, and could form a nice 2007 rotation with Prior, Marshall and a FA/rookie filling out their starting five. The Cubs have Aramis signed through 2007 I believe, but he does have a choice to opt out of his contract and become a FA. Josh Fields would provide security in the case Aramis walks. Why not turn this into an even bigger trade by acquiring Blanco and Williamson from the Cubs? If the Sox were to get Z, Blanco and Williamson, we'd overtake the AL Central in terrorizing fashion. Contreras Buehrle Zambrano Garland McCarthy Tracey/Hermanson Riske Cotts Williamson Thornton Jenks Edited July 17, 2006 by shoota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 The scary thing about Zambrano is that you never know when his arm will fall off. I think Dusty leaves him out there for an average of 164 pitches per game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 QUOTE(shoota @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 02:35 PM) As KW said, the Sox don't need mediocre pitching help, they need dominance. Zambrano is dominant. I'd feel quite comfortable going into the playoffs with Contreras, Buehrle and Zambrano as my top three pitchers. Trading Garcia and Vazquez and only getting one SP in return opens a rotation spot for McCarthy. This makes sense for the Cubs since it improves on their lack of starting pitching depth, and could form a nice 2007 rotation with Prior, Marshall and a FA/rookie filling out their starting five. The Cubs have Aramis signed through 2007 I believe, but he does have an option to opt out of his contract and become a FA. Josh Fields would provide security in the case Aramis walks. Why not turn this into an even bigger trade by acquiring Blanco and Williamson from the Cubs? If the Sox were to get Z, Blanco and Williamson, we'd take over the AL Central in terrorizing fashion. I just don't think the Cubs would ever deal us one of their star players (or even fallen stars such as Prior) simply because of the manner in which it would upset their fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoota Posted July 17, 2006 Author Share Posted July 17, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 02:39 PM) The scary thing about Zambrano is that you never know when his arm will fall off. I think Dusty leaves him out there for an average of 164 pitches per game. Good point, Dusty has overused him for years, yet I'd happily take the risk that Z and McCarthy could outpitch Garcia and Vazquez. QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 02:39 PM) I just don't think the Cubs would ever deal us one of their star players (or even fallen stars such as Prior) simply because of the manner in which it would upset their fans. True, but I'd like to see KW try. Honestly, it would kind of taint our 2006 World Championship having to benefit from the performances of 3 former Cubs' players. Edited July 17, 2006 by shoota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sti3 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 02:39 PM) I just don't think the Cubs would ever deal us one of their star players (or even fallen stars such as Prior) simply because of the manner in which it would upset their fans.Plus Zambrano acts like a big annoying baby. Man it's a good thing I'm not a GM, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 The cubs have one good healthy young pitcher. So you suggest they trade that guy, for one guy who lost a ton of velocity on his fastball and someone who has been a gas can. Did you take off the fair trades setting on your xbox for that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 FWIW Scott Williamson will never play for Ozzie, plus he sucks. If you're giving up 2 of your SPs and your #1 prospect in order to fill a semi-need while creating a huge one in your bullpen I'd say this is pretty counter-productive. Not to mention the fact that this trade is beyond unplausible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 12:54 PM) The cubs have one good healthy young pitcher. So you suggest they trade that guy, for one guy who lost a ton of velocity on his fastball and someone who has been a gas can. And the Sox can eat half of Freddy and Javy's remaining deals, while watching Zambrano walk as a free agent soon after. Yeah, I don't think that this will work for either side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Heh. Nice sig Kalapse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 02:59 PM) Heh. Nice sig Kalapse. Some of his best work yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Is this just completely made up or has this actually been talked about? I don't see the Cubs trading there one solid healthy pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 I wanted to go for something a little more realistic in this sig and I believe I accomplished that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 This trade is a good thought...getting a stud starter, but it is not possible nor very likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 (edited) This trade would never happen. If they were going to trade Zambrano, which they probably aren't, I'd imagine they'd want a much better package with younger players. They'd probably ask for at least two top prospects (better than we have), one solid young major league starter and another prospect (something like B-Mac and Fields, although that still might not be enough), or a major league stud (something like Buehrle and maybe another prospect0. They're not going to take two 30-year old starters back that are significantly worse than Zambrano. It'd be much more likely that they try to re-sign him and he ends up walking. Then we'd just have to give him a ridiculous sum of money. Edited July 17, 2006 by ZoomSlowik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infohawk Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 02:39 PM) I just don't think the Cubs would ever deal us one of their star players (or even fallen stars such as Prior) simply because of the manner in which it would upset their fans. Its not like they would go anywhere. If years of bad and, quite frankly, pathetic baseball didn't do it, I wouldn't expect that trading Zambrano to the Sox would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Yes, lets get every team to trade us a stud pitcher for our duds. Good idea!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gojimthome Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 03:08 PM) I wanted to go for something a little more realistic in this sig and I believe I accomplished that. That new sig is balls. Amazing work. As for the original post, let's forget the Cubs, call Minnesota, throw in Widger and Tracey so we can make the deal Flamethrowin' Freddy, Javy, Fields, Widge, & Tracey for Santana and Mauer! Edited July 17, 2006 by Contreras' Crew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 03:08 PM) I wanted to go for something a little more realistic in this sig and I believe I accomplished that. Is that a casio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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