iamshack Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Hey all, I stumbled across this at Baseball ThinkFactory and thought I would post it. It is one defensive metric used which might shed light on how individual players in our startling lineup are playing defensively. I was especially surprised by Konerko and Crede's numbers, and not surprised by Uribe and Anderson. Also, take a peak at Scottie's numbers... BBTF: Dialed In Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 I don't know, kind of an odd metric. It doesn't use putouts our assists, so that will hurt Crede's numbers. Doesn't really make sense how Konerko's numbers are that bad, also look at Gary Matthews - he saved at least 4-5 runs on over the wall catches, but he is the worst CF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 18, 2006 Author Share Posted July 18, 2006 Did you read the "methodology" section? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 10:56 AM) Did you read the "methodology" section? Yes, it uses Zone Rating (ZR), which only accounts for balls hit in the player's "zone" (no zones overlap). Crede makes a ton of plays outside of his zone and he is not credited for them in this metric. The same goes for Matthews, all those over the wall catches are outside of his zone. Edited July 18, 2006 by RME JICO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 02:54 PM) I don't know, kind of an odd metric. It doesn't use putouts our assists, so that will hurt Crede's numbers. Doesn't really make sense how Konerko's numbers are that bad, also look at Gary Matthews - he saved at least 4-5 runs on over the wall catches, but he is the worst CF? Konerko's numbers make sense. We all know that PK's best asset defensively isn't his range -- it's his ability to pick bad throws from Iguchi/Uribe/Crede out of the dirt. I don't believe this metric accounts for that, so you have to take the 1B numbers with a pretty large grain of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 18, 2006 Author Share Posted July 18, 2006 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 11:14 AM) Konerko's numbers make sense. We all know that PK's best asset defensively isn't his range -- it's his ability to pick bad throws from Iguchi/Uribe/Crede out of the dirt. I don't believe this metric accounts for that, so you have to take the 1B numbers with a pretty large grain of salt. Look at how much better Uribe is defensively than any other ss in the league... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Konerko is worse than Giambi! Hahaha Emil Brown is number two in left field? Hahahaha! Brian's four, but he has a lot less games played than those ahead of him. QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 11:17 AM) Look at how much better Uribe is defensively than any other ss in the league... I love Juan's D. From SoxMachine (http://soxmachine.com/blogs/meet_the_sox/articles/89.aspx) Don’t listen to the Gold Glove voters – you won’t find a better defensive shortstop in the American League. Sure, Derek Jeter has won the last two GGs, but he can’t go his left to save his life. Hopefully Uribe’s sterling postseason play will help him the next time around. Once again, you’ll have to get past the aesthetics to enjoy him. Uribe doesn’t field the ball squarely, instead choosing to backhand the ball in front of him. And unlike the taller, more graceful shortstops like Jeter, Miguel Tejada and Alex Rodriguez when he played there, Uribe looks, well, kinda dumpy. Ignore that, and he’s an absolute treat to watch. Maybe only Rafael Furcal has a stronger arm from short, and he can go in both directions very well. In a game against Detroit, he was able to backhand a grounder to the hole even though he had committed to his left to cover second on a hit-and-run. No throw is out of his range, and unlike say, Shawon Dunston, his cannon arm almost always hits the target. He also takes charge of pop-ups in the triangle of doom between short, third and left field. That’s an under-appreciated skill, especially since Joe Crede has depth perception problems and Scott Podsednik gets late jumps. I can’t wait to see Game 4 again – he has to own one of the most clutch defensive performances in baseball history. In the eighth inning, he ended the inning with a runner on by making a play on a weak grounder up the middle. In the ninth, he made that incredible diving catch in the stands for out No. 2, and then unleashed a Mach 3 rocket after fielding a chopper to record the final out of the World Series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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