Felix Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 QUOTE(ViperPilot @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 09:10 PM) You're kidding, right? I hope so too :rolly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 QUOTE(Jimbo @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 08:08 PM) Get the f***in tigers fans out of the game thread, i thought the deal was to keep them in their f***in thread............ Jesus Christ. Funny how everyone goes nuts when something bad happens. It's okay, Tigers, you can stay. It's not like you're saying much, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosox41 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 08:07 PM) So Vazquez deserves a pat on the bat for giving up 5 runs in 6 innings in a huge game for the Sox? Sorry, but I expect more from a 11 million dollar pitcher. Can we just save him to pitch against the Indians and Royals the rest of the year? I have a better idea. Stick him in the back of the bullpen where he never sees the light of day except for a games that are blow outs. I don't think any sane team would trade for him. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 08:04 PM) I say this respectively, but Ozzie/KW got greedy when they added him. They got addicted to the thought of "the greatest rotation ever". I highly doubt they would have made the trade if they knew Garland/Contereras would re-sign. They wouldn't have made that trade. That's not being greedy though, that's being smart. They saw something in Vaz they thought they could fix, unfortunately Coop ain't a brain surgeon. Kenny wanted at least 4 starters for next season including Mac and it ended up that Jon and JC re-signed(thank god). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 I don't trust Cotts very much anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 QUOTE(ViperPilot @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 08:10 PM) You're kidding, right? no the site is called soxtalk go to motown sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 jeez, who the f' cares if they were bloop hits, "should have been caught" hits,etc. 5 runs is 5 runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 20, 2006 -> 01:07 AM) This was actually one of his best games, sans that inning. I realize the inning counts and this type of inning has completely hampered Javy but I really think we are about to see him turn the corner. I say this with all due respect, but that's the same thing that general managers keep thinking, and they get stuck with a high-priced pitcher who can't win the big game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Vazquez is just not a winner. He teases you, but in the end you are dissappointed. If Young turns out to be anywhere near as good as a lot of people think, that trade will KW's worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecoyne Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 guys i missed the earlier discussion, but was there a good reason as to why Mack was in CF instead of Anderson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 I think ESPN did a nice job talking about the leg kick though and I'm sure Coop is doing what he can to help Javy with runners on so his arm can catch up. Jason I have it on the local feed but if ESPN was talking about that then they nailed it. That's exactly what he does, it's always a brutal pitch with runners on and it's always a hanging breaking ball of some sort. Easy for me but I was sitting here saying "go in on his hands, go in on his hands", i.e. with the fastball. Hawk and DJ were saying go outside and take a little off the slider and as it turns out they were right because Monroe was looking middle-in. And usually that's what it is on a hanging breaking pitch, the arm is dragging through the delivery, the finish is high and therefore the pitch stays up. Either way, bad luck or not, the time for analysis is over. We are trying to stay in a pennant race and this guy has got to perform. Granted there were a few bloops etc. but he has got to make a better pitch than he did. One of the worst pitches in a key situation of the whole 2006 season, if not the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 QUOTE(ViperPilot @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 06:10 PM) You're kidding, right? well look who's here...surprise surprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 20, 2006 -> 01:10 AM) Jesus Christ. Funny how everyone goes nuts when something bad happens. It's okay, Tigers, you can stay. It's not like you're saying much, anyway. Yeah, they're a lot more tame than they were a month or so ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(soxunited @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 08:11 PM) guys i missed the earlier discussion, but was there a good reason as to why Mack was in CF instead of Anderson? Yes, Bonderman is right handed with good stuff. That's it, no good reason. Edited July 20, 2006 by Rowand44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperPilot Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 no the site is called soxtalk go to motown sports. Grow up, dude......I haven't seen any disrespectful posts here from any Tigers fan.....I understand you're pissed....just like we were last night.........s*** happens..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 07:09 PM) Well I will say that AJ has to stop calling that damn curveball. If Widger was behind the plate tonight there would be about a million threads about how bad he is. That being said, Vaz can't execute a pitch in a big situation..just ask the yankees. He didn't call a curveball. He called the slider that everybody is clammoring for. He just hung the hell outta it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 QUOTE(soxunited @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 08:11 PM) guys i missed the earlier discussion, but was there a good reason as to why Mack was in CF instead of Anderson? I didnt agree with the move before the game started, BA needs to be out there every game this series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 QUOTE(Jimbo @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 08:11 PM) no the site is called soxtalk go to motown sports. hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 08:09 PM) Well I will say that AJ has to stop calling that damn curveball. If Widger was behind the plate tonight there would be about a million threads about how bad he is. That being said, Vaz can't execute a pitch in a big situation..just ask the yankees. I think you're right about that. I mentioned earlier that AJ called for a bad pitch and Javy obliged! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 If we weren't paying Javy so much, I'd say he'd make a great bullpen pitcher with his stuff. POSS-I-BIL-I-TIES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 06:04 PM) I say this respectively, but Ozzie/KW got greedy when they added him. They got addicted to the thought of "the greatest rotation ever". I highly doubt they would have made the trade if they knew Garland/Contereras would re-sign. I have to buy into the whole leverage argument, but if they could have fast-forwarded a few weeks and seen Garland and than Contreras resign we wouldn't have made the move. Instead we'd probably have pawned Duque off to some team and than tried to pick up a swingman that could enter the rotation if any of our guys got hurt or faltered with Bmac in the 5th spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 08:12 PM) One of the worst pitches in a key situation of the whole 2006 season, if not the worst. Sadly, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeman89 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 08:12 PM) Yes, Bonderman is right handed with good stuff. That's it, no good reason. whatever happened to defense being a priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Vazquez's bad innings are so predictable it's almost freightening. Usually a missed strikeout call, shoddy defense, or a soft hits begins a parade of runs. Funny how these situations always seems to find Vazquez around the middle innings. I don't believe it's a coincidence. Since lineups usually hit him well the 3rd time around, better contact is made. Thus, more opportunities for a misplay or bloopers occurs. Let's not avert attention off of that goof on the mound. At some point, you have to look past his stuff and realize this guy has little testicular fortitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 08:11 PM) jeez, who the f' cares if they were bloop hits, "should have been caught" hits,etc. 5 runs is 5 runs. Not really. I mean, he pitched extremely well except for one pitch. Im dissapointed in the runs, but the sweat on his hand that caused him to hang the pitch sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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