NorthSideSox72 Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 QUOTE(Soxy @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 04:39 PM) One more snarky comment and this thread is locked. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That goes for leftists, rightists and centrists. Personal attacks may result in suspensions. Lets all play nice, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minors Posted July 24, 2006 Author Share Posted July 24, 2006 You usually die pretty quickly in both a hanging (snaps your neck) and a beheading. Different than inflicting a slow, painful, agonizing death. The Constitution also states that non-whites are only 3/5's of a person. Societal values change. I like how reactionary and knee-jerk you two are. One position on one issue makes me a bleeding-heart liberal. Ok. Try actually formulating arguments based on an issue instead of just labelling people and then going on a ad hominem circle-jerk. My whole argument is the founding fathers believed in execution it was around when they wrote the amendment and it stayed around after it was written. Execution in there eyes was not against the amendment. And besides how can a leftist claim the constitution must be honored in every way but yet when it goes against there stance it becomes "Societal value change" and can be discounted, you can't have it both ways either we respect what the founders stood for completely or not stand with it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(minors @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 07:10 PM) My whole argument is the founding fathers believed in execution it was around when they wrote the amendment and it stayed around after it was written. Execution in there eyes was not against the amendment. And besides how can a leftist claim the constitution must be honored in every way but yet when it goes against there stance it becomes "Societal value change" and can be discounted, you can't have it both ways either we respect what the founders stood for completely or not stand with it at all. If you follow that logic, however, don't we have to allow slavery, discrimination, etc.? Slavery was around when they wrote the Constitution, and remained around until they were all dead. Women couldn't vote for over 100 years, yet society came to believe that that was wrong and that all members of society should be treated equally. Since the beginning of this country, the interpretations of law have changed with the times. They will continue to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(minors @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 07:10 PM) My whole argument is the founding fathers believed in execution it was around when they wrote the amendment and it stayed around after it was written. Execution in there eyes was not against the amendment. And besides how can a leftist claim the constitution must be honored in every way but yet when it goes against there stance it becomes "Societal value change" and can be discounted, you can't have it both ways either we respect what the founders stood for completely or not stand with it at all. Well, as has already been stated, societal values do change, and the Constitution is amended to portray that. As there hasnt been any amendment on the issue of capital punishment, the current interpretation of "cruel and unusual" is based on the current interpretation of that aspect of the document. However, that is not the point of my post. In principal, I have nothing against capital punishment, some crimes are so horrific that the perpetrator deserves to die... BUT I can't reconcile that belief with the knowledge that an innocent person would be put to death in their place. The problem is systematic, often the defendants in these cases are poor and cannot afford adequate representation, so they receive state appointed counsel. Well, the public defenders in this country are already overrun with cases, and they arent always the most effective form of representation because they are often working several cases at the same time. I'm sorry but I would rather see hundreds of violent criminals serve in prison until they die than see 1 innocent person wrongfully put to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(minors @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What I don't understand is why these ACLU people care so much on which way these thugs die. Does it really matter how they die? As far as I am concerned we could still use beheadings. Such violent posts like these make me think you are part of Al-Qeda. What I also find funny is how you claim you don't care how they die, yet you started a thread on how a guy died in a way by choice instead of the way he was supposed to die. If you don't care, why are you amking such a fuss out of it and dragging the ACLU and liberal bashing into it? EDIT: Didn't see Soxy's post. Please don't hate me. Edited July 24, 2006 by santo=dorf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Thomas Jefferson was never wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Bring back drawn and quartering! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 10:45 PM) Thomas Jefferson was never wrong. Except about the Economic Embargo that nearly crippled us, and his refusal to fund the military properly that left us off-guard for hte War of 1812! Wait, that was Bill Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minors Posted July 24, 2006 Author Share Posted July 24, 2006 (edited) Such violent posts like these make me think you are part of Al-Qeda. What I also find funny is how you claim you don't care how they die, yet you started a thread on how a guy died in a way by choice instead of the way he was supposed to die. If you don't care, why are you amking such a fuss out of it and dragging the ACLU and liberal bashing into it? EDIT: Didn't see Soxy's post. Please don't hate me. A violent post wow because I said I didn't care if they used beheadings again???? I don't care how he died just along as he did I only posted it to see what other people though on the issue. I bring in the ACLU and the liberals because they seem to think something that was Oked by the founding fathers as acceptable practice and not cruel and unusual punishment yet today they think that it is cruel punishment. I am only making a fuss out of the fact that the ACLU thinks they know more about the constitution than the founding fathers. Please lets not kid our self Capital Punishment is constitutional and will be around for a long time. Edited July 24, 2006 by minors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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