whitesoxfan101 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:25 PM) No offense but that's bull. For the most part, the best teams win in October(I don't care what anyone says) but there are obviously exceptions to every rule and this might be one of them. I'm embarrassed right now to watch this damn thing. The Tigers are disgracing themselves and I'm really starting to dislike Cardinal fans(a few bad apples for every fan base, unfortunately I'm in Cards territory now). The thought of an 83 win team winning a championship does kind of make me sick though, not going to lie. The best teams GET to October. And on some occasions, a dominating team exists and they win (you could call us that to be honest, we did go 11-1 and wire to wire with the best record in the AL). But that's only 10 percent of the time IMO (1927 Yankees, 1976 Reds, 1998 Yankees, 2005 White Sox even). The other 90 percent of the time, you have pretty evenly matched playoff teams, and the one that gets the most luck wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:33 PM) The best teams GET to October. And on some occasions, a dominating team exists and they win (you could call us that to be honest, we did go 11-1 and wire to wire with the best record in the AL). But that's only 10 percent of the time IMO (1927 Yankees, 1976 Reds, 1998 Yankees, 2005 White Sox even). The other 90 percent of the time, you have pretty evenly matched playoff teams, and the one that gets the most luck wins. I highly, highly disagree and to be honest, that's a theory that a lot of people have that really bugs me. I really don't feel like getting into a big argument over this right now but the best team will usually win the World Series, I'll just leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:38 PM) I highly, highly disagree and to be honest, that's a theory that a lot of people have that really bugs me. I really don't feel like getting into a big argument over this right now but the best team will usually win the World Series, I'll just leave it at that. I'll just say the best team wins over 162, which is why the best 8 get to October, but the best team often times doesn't win in a best of 5 or 7 series, which is why the best team doesn't always (or even usually) survive October. Thus is how a 116 win Mariner team doesn't win the pennant, but an 83 win Cardinal team (probably) wins it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardsJimEdmonds15 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:43 PM) I'll just say the best team wins over 162, which is why the best 8 get to October, but the best team often times doesn't win in a best of 5 or 7 series, which is why the best team doesn't always (or even usually) survive October. Thus is how a 116 win Mariner team doesn't win the pennant, but an 83 win Cardinal team (probably) wins it all. Yea and even the 2004 and 2005 team Cards were better than this team IMHO.. maybe someone is smiling down on us.. an OK team has a chance to win a WS whereas those other two teams couldnt? That 2004 team was one of the best I've ever seen in my life as a Cards fan (I'm only 21) and they couldnt do it! But this team may? It doesnt make sense really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I believe we can agree that the team that is playing the best in October will probably win the WS. That may or not be the team that played the best in May, June, July, Aug, and September. This isn't an on any given Sunday situation. I think of all the sports, baseball has the best playoff situation. If St. Louis wins this series, it wasn't by luck. They were playing the best when it counted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(CardsJimEdmonds15 @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:46 PM) Yea and even the 2004 and 2005 team Cards were better than this team IMHO.. maybe someone is smiling down on us.. an OK team has a chance to win a WS whereas those other two teams couldnt? That 2004 team was one of the best I've ever seen in my life as a Cards fan (I'm only 21) and they couldnt do it! But this team may? It doesnt make sense really! Well my simple answer to this is that baseball as a whole is wayyyyy down this year. There is not a great team, not even close to one. The 04 Red Sox were great, the 05 White Sox were fantastic and even the 05 Angels, 05 Astros and last years Cards were better than both of these teams in this years World Series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:43 PM) I'll just say the best team wins over 162, which is why the best 8 get to October, but the best team often times doesn't win in a best of 5 or 7 series, which is why the best team doesn't always (or even usually) survive October. Thus is how a 116 win Mariner team doesn't win the pennant, but an 83 win Cardinal team (probably) wins it all. If you can't perform in the clutch when it counts the most, then you aren't the best team... I don't buy the "luck" factor in a 7-game series...maybe in a 1-and-done like NCAA Tournament or football, luck can have enough of an impact, but you can't just "luck" your way into winning a series... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Noone talks about it, but this might be one of the biggest upsets in W.S. history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(CardsJimEdmonds15 @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:46 PM) Yea and even the 2004 and 2005 team Cards were better than this team IMHO.. maybe someone is smiling down on us.. an OK team has a chance to win a WS whereas those other two teams couldnt? That 2004 team was one of the best I've ever seen in my life as a Cards fan (I'm only 21) and they couldnt do it! But this team may? It doesnt make sense really! Exactly, especially that 2004 team. They were REALLY good, but they had BAD LUCK running into the Red Sox destiny buzzsaw. QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:49 PM) I believe we can agree that the team that is playing the best in October will probably win the WS. That may or not be the team that played the best in May, June, July, Aug, and September. This isn't an on any given Sunday situation. I think of all the sports, baseball has the best playoff situation. If St. Louis wins this series, it wasn't by luck. They were playing the best when it counted. Oh yeah...the team playing the best in October always wins. The team that is playing the best though is a matter of total luck and randomness, and said team usually gets a few huge breaks as well. QUOTE(SoxAce @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:51 PM) Noone talks about it, but this might be one of the biggest upsets in W.S. history. For sure, definitely the biggest one since 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Notice how not ONE Tiger fan is around too much anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:52 PM) The team that is playing the best though is a matter of total luck and randomness, and said team usually gets a few huge breaks as well. No, not really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:52 PM) Oh yeah...the team playing the best in October always wins. The team that is playing the best though is a matter of total luck and randomness, and said team usually gets a few huge breaks as well. Ok, I lied, I will argue this. It's not total luck and it's not randomness to get hot in October. If it was don't you think that the law of averages would have caught up to the A's or the Twins or hell even the Braves more than once? There are reasons that those teams haven't won the World Series. Usually the best team in baseball is going to win the World Series because you have to go through 3 series and win 11 games. You're not going to luck your way through 3 series and if you're not the best team then chances are you will get beat. Like I said there are exceptions and this appears to be one of them. I don't believe the Cards are the best team in baseball(not close) but because baseball as a whole is so average this year they have their shot to win it all because they have not played one great team in this whole postseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Pffft... The Tigers are so much better that they'll still win in just 6. Good teams find a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Imagine the devistation among Cub fans if the White Sox then Cards win the World Series in back to back years. I love the pain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:59 PM) Imagine the devistation among Cub fans if the White Sox then Cards win the World Series in back to back years. I love the pain! God hates them so much. It's beautiful. And of course, in 2004, the other Sox ended their "curse". So 3 years in a row! Edited October 27, 2006 by whitesoxfan101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:59 PM) Imagine the devistation among Cub fans if the White Sox then Cards win the World Series in back to back years. I love the pain! I was just thinking about that. Hell, the Cards winning will piss off like 3-4 teams (the cubs being one, if not, the main one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:43 PM) I'll just say the best team wins over 162, which is why the best 8 get to October, but the best team often times doesn't win in a best of 5 or 7 series, which is why the best team doesn't always (or even usually) survive October. Thus is how a 116 win Mariner team doesn't win the pennant, but an 83 win Cardinal team (probably) wins it all. That's because that Mariners' pitching wasn't anywhere near as good as the stats indicated. Aaron Sele and Paul Abbott were both major pieces of their rotation, that should tell you something. The Yankees had better and more experienced pitching, led by Clemens, Mussina, Pettitte and Rivera. That negated the edge the Mariners had in offensive firepower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(SoxAce @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:51 PM) Noone talks about it, but this might be one of the biggest upsets in W.S. history. Marlins over Yankees? DBacks over Yankees? Marlins over Indians? Reds over A's? Dodgers over A's? Twins over Cardinals? It's not like the Tigers dominated the whole year and looked completely unbeatable. They went 19-31 in their last 50 and pretty much lucked into a playoff birth thanks in large part to the Sox not being worth a damn in the 2nd half either. This is not an upset IMO. This is two good teams playing each other with regular season records completely thrown out the window. QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 27, 2006 -> 12:06 AM) God hates them so much. It's beautiful. And of course, in 2004, the other Sox ended their "curse". So 3 years in a row! The Cubs kinda f***ed up in 2003 too. That would be 4 years in a row where they were kicked squarely in the nuts by fate. Ouchies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 27, 2006 -> 01:01 AM) Marlins over Yankees? DBacks over Yankees? Marlins over Indians? Reds over A's? Dodgers over A's? Twins over Cardinals? Well the first two were pretty expected imo, especially the Marlins winning, I actually remember not thinking the Yanks had much of a chance in that series. I can't talk about the others as I don't remember those as I was either too young or not born yet. As for this series, you're right the Tigers aren't great and certainly haven't been dominate but the Cards were a pretty heavy underdog coming in and I know a lot of people(myself included) gave them no chance. Edited October 27, 2006 by Rowand44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 27, 2006 -> 12:38 AM) I highly, highly disagree and to be honest, that's a theory that a lot of people have that really bugs me. I really don't feel like getting into a big argument over this right now but the best team will usually win the World Series, I'll just leave it at that. You're just mad b/c WH is going to be right from that argument you guys had way back at the beginning of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Oct 27, 2006 -> 07:47 AM) You're just mad b/c WH is going to be right from that argument you guys had way back at the beginning of the season. LOL, I forgot about that. He was basically just talking about the Mets though, so eh. Still, if the Tigers can win tonight I think they have a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:01 PM) Marlins over Yankees? DBacks over Yankees? Marlins over Indians? Reds over A's? Dodgers over A's? Twins over Cardinals? It's not like the Tigers dominated the whole year and looked completely unbeatable. They went 19-31 in their last 50 and pretty much lucked into a playoff birth thanks in large part to the Sox not being worth a damn in the 2nd half either. This is not an upset IMO. This is two good teams playing each other with regular season records completely thrown out the window. I strongly disagree with that. The Cardinals were freaking 83-79 in the regular season. That's not the record of a playoff-caliber team. The underdogs that you cited above all did a hell of a lot better than 83-79. Consider also that the Cards' #2 starter and their closer are lost for the season due to injuries, Marquis went down the toilet this year, Rolen is hurt (again), and Edmonds has been battling injuries and Father Time all season. My God, they're relying on Jeff Freaking Weaver and Anthony Reyes (who?) to anchor the bottom half of their playoff rotation! This is the very DEFINITION of an upset. On paper, these guys aren't very good at all. But they're absolutely playing their tails off right now. I'll say this about the Tigers: Watching them earlier this year, it was apparent to me that they had all of the tools to win, but that their inability to play solid defense was going to hurt them at some point. And if Leyland doesn't start Rogers tonight, he's making a big mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Gleason Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:59 PM) Pffft... The Tigers are so much better that they'll still win in just 6. Good teams find a way. Ah...ummm...green? It would have to be a team literally pulling miracles, wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Oct 27, 2006 -> 10:52 AM) And if Leyland doesn't start Rogers tonight, he's making a big mistake. I never got the whole point of that logic. You gotta win all three game anyways, who cares what order your starters go in? Does it really matter if they lose game 5 or game 6? I suppose in this case it'd be big to get the series back to Detroit, but that's somewhat unrelated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 27, 2006 -> 01:01 AM) Marlins over Yankees? DBacks over Yankees? Marlins over Indians? Reds over A's? Dodgers over A's? Twins over Cardinals? Wite, I said "One of the biggest" not "the biggest." And I don't know if you were just bored and was looking for something to chat about, or if you were really, really serious but it's not even close. Hell comming into this series, and having like a weeks rest, the Tigers were f***ing 8-1 in the postseason going against a weak ass NL team. Noone, not even Cards fans had the Tigers only winning one game up to this point, some probably doubting they had a prayer. That's not even the only reason why right now. Donot even tell me this is not an upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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