Dick Allen Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:23 PM) Or a prelude to a blockbuster. If this is the end of a deal someone should request KDub pee in a cup. This is true. He may be acquiring Soriano so he can place him in Seattle or somewhere out of the Central Division, and get some other pieces back. I think KW would be out of his mind picking up Soriano for 2 months at the price of McCarthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spawn Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:23 PM) Or a prelude to a blockbuster. If this is the end of a deal someone should request KDub pee in a cup. It's funny...both ESPN and CBS Sportsline are saying he's close to being on the Sox, yet CNNSI.com says Bowden's asking price is to high (Lance Broadway and Josh Fields) and that he's a longshot to end up in Chicago. . ::Sigh:: Who to believe? I want to believe SI.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(ChWRoCk2 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:26 PM) So if this is a prelude to a bigger the trade, perhaps we might deal him off to other teams looking at him such as the Mets, Yanks, Angels. All of those teams have some solid spects. Then I would take a wild guess one of our pitchers is thrown in with him and we would get some bullpen help and a starter or two. But im just throwin out ideas right now. Guys if we are going for Soriano and giving up Bmac and our top prospects, then guess what we are not spinning him off. Why would we give up our best prospects unless their best prospects are soo much better. We are not spinning him for Arod either. This is for the dagger. Our best in baseball Offense becomes absolutely sick then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxrd5 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:26 PM) If its just Pods and BMac I can accept it. If Anderson is included as well then hes lost me and I might run out on the field naked at the game tonight. Bring a Cubs hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Just thinking for a second, if the Sox are getting a reliever back in the deal with Washington, I think you have seen the end of Freddy Garcia or Javy Vazquez in Chicago. It means Brandon slides into the rotation with McDougal taking his place in the pen as a set up man from the right side. This could be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:27 PM) Does anyone actually think that Williams would be stupid enough to ship out McCarthy in this? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:28 PM) Bring a Cubs hat. Hey now..I do not look like a beer bottle or a hot dog wrapper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:26 PM) i dont like trading pitching, but that would a one hell of an offensive jugernut. Im gonna miss Bmac. I like that kid, hes a good player. I have thought BMac was overrated all year long. But we need his cheap arm. I sure hope Kenny has something going on to reacquire some young mlb-ready pitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:28 PM) Just thinking for a second, if the Sox are getting a reliever back in the deal with Washington, I think you have seen the end of Freddy Garcia or Javy Vazquez in Chicago. It means Brandon slides into the rotation with McDougal taking his place in the pen as a set up man from the right side. This could be interesting. but b-mac would be the key part of the washington deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Well, at least this year has been more exciting than last year's trading season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxrd5 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:30 PM) Hey now..I do not look like a beer bottle or a hot dog wrapper! No.. it's for your tv appearance. Wear a wife beater t-shirt too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:13 PM) I hate this time of the year--and love it. I get so excited about stuff like this and it never comes true. Hopefully, Kurkijan is right. But not for Fields and Broadway. Fields and Broadway is a small price to pay. just not BMAC please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 No BMAC or BA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:28 PM) Just thinking for a second, if the Sox are getting a reliever back in the deal with Washington, I think you have seen the end of Freddy Garcia or Javy Vazquez in Chicago. It means Brandon slides into the rotation with McDougal taking his place in the pen as a set up man from the right side. This could be interesting. Mike... I do think Brandon would be right in the middle of the deal. Sure would be helpful to have that BMac.Com set up right now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spawn Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 (edited) Does anyone actually think that Williams would be stupid enough to ship out McCarthy in this? QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:29 PM) Yes. What she said. Edited July 24, 2006 by spawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 For those of you suggesting that Soriano is a long-term leadoff hitter, take a look at his career OBP again. It's .325. It's around .360 this year, but how often would you pitch to him in that lineup? If it's McCarthy for Soriano, I won't be happy at all. If it's for other prospects and Pods, I can live with it. I don't want to see him leading off for the next 5 years or so though (assuming we try to re-sign him). As for MacDougal, he's a project with a great arm, but Lumsden is a fairly high price for a guy with little proven success and injury issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 If McCarthy's involved, it might give us a hint that Ozzie was never a big fan of Brandon for one reason or another. McCarthy should have been starting instead of Duque as early as August of last season. He's also better than Garcia and Vazquez this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 I hope KW realizes that the offense is one of the best in the MLB. We are much more desperate to get an arm in the rotation (BMAC) and deal one of our older overpriced pieces (Vaz). Shipping BMAC for soriano would be a very bad plan for KW, and I do not think he will do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:33 PM) No BMAC or BA Pffftt... Anderson is gone. Didn't you read the 19 threads about Aaron coming back...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Bizarre trade ideas, actually. Give up on McCarthy for a two month rental of Soriano? Further weaken your minor league pitching depth for a guy who was never that great when healthy. (A Royals pitcher? -- isn't that an oxymoron?) Can't see how you can flip Soriano, because only the Tigers, Yanks, Angels, and Twins seem interested, and they aren't trading with us. I don't think Kurjian just blows smoke. He's a reporter, not a rumor creator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:34 PM) Mike... I do think Brandon would be right in the middle of the deal. Sure would be helpful to have that BMac.Com set up right now.. Then there should be a window to sign a long term deal then with Soriano. Soriano is a hell of a player and is young, and can play at a high level for a long time. But Bmac for a 2 month rental is a bit high. Prospects I could care less about, bmac actually showed that he could play in the majors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Trading B-Mac in a deal for Soriano would be horrible. Please don't do it Kenny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:35 PM) Pffftt... Anderson is gone. Didn't you read the 19 threads about Aaron coming back...? When do they retire #33 again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:20 PM) Here's to hoping that IF this is true that Kenny will turn around and deal Soriano to another team for a top SP. Zito? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 (edited) Here are the top-10 LFs by OPS in baseball right now. RK PLAYER TEAM AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB BA OBP SLG OPS 1 Manny Ramirez Bos 332 60 103 19 1 26 73 0 1 72 .310 .429 .608 1.038 2 Alfonso Soriano Was 399 73 115 25 2 31 62 25 7 43 .288 .361 .594 .955 3 Jason Bay Pit 361 62 103 20 2 22 73 6 2 67 .285 .400 .535 .935 4 Matt Holliday Col 370 65 120 30 3 17 60 4 3 21 .324 .372 .559 .931 5 Adam Dunn Cin 353 67 87 16 0 30 66 3 0 73 .246 .377 .547 .923 6 Pat Burrell Phi 290 45 75 13 0 20 64 0 0 57 .259 .380 .510 .890 7 Carlos Lee Mil 377 58 107 17 0 27 79 12 2 37 .284 .345 .544 .889 8 Nick Swisher Oak 341 68 87 14 2 21 55 1 2 62 .255 .377 .493 .870 9 Carl Crawford TB 369 59 114 14 10 14 50 32 8 25 .309 .354 .515 .868 10 Raul Ibanez Sea 379 59 104 21 5 21 78 2 3 39 .274 .339 .522 .861 Here's Pods 15 Scott Podsednik CWS 341 66 93 21 6 3 37 29 12 40 .273 .350 .396 .746 The Sabremetric ranking is about the same: 1 Manny Ramirez Bos 82.9 9.13 .298 .512 89 109 0.82 .176 0.89 72 81 2 Alfonso Soriano Was 86.2 7.86 .306 .459 97 162 0.60 .096 0.49 43 88 3 Jason Bay Pit 76.9 7.50 .249 .446 107 123 0.87 .152 0.73 67 92 4 Adam Dunn Cin 74.1 7.28 .300 .516 77 115 0.67 .169 0.64 73 114 5 Matt Holliday Col 69.5 6.97 .235 .295 144 93 1.55 .052 0.32 21 66 6 Carl Crawford TB 69.6 6.84 .206 .339 165 95 1.74 .062 0.47 25 53 7 Pat Burrell Phi 55.8 6.67 .252 .448 65 101 0.64 .163 0.68 57 84 8 Nick Swisher Oak 64.6 6.44 .238 .416 93 115 0.81 .148 0.68 62 91 9 Carlos Lee Mil 69.2 6.40 .260 .385 141 146 0.97 .087 0.95 37 39 10 Luis Gonzalez Ari 59.0 6.05 .173 .303 134 129 1.04 .114 1.53 46 30 RK PLAYER TEAM RC RC27 ISOP SECA GB FB G/F BB/PA BB/K BB SO 11 Raul Ibanez Sea 64.6 5.93 .248 .348 136 128 1.06 .092 0.59 39 66 12 Brad Wilkerson Tex 43.8 5.24 .226 .360 64 90 0.71 .113 0.37 37 100 13 Josh Willingham Fla 42.6 5.04 .185 .293 98 98 1.00 .088 0.46 29 63 14 Emil Brown KC 45.8 4.99 .141 .245 123 104 1.18 .089 0.62 32 52 15 Scott Podsednik CWS 50.4 4.96 .123 .290 126 88 1.43 .102 0.65 40 62 Soriano is worth about 36 runs more than Pods on the year. But if our pitching doesn't come through, it won't matter how good our offense is. Edited July 24, 2006 by VAfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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