daa84 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(G&T @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:19 PM) I'll go out on a limb and say an AL team. My reasoning is that it might be for a pitcher, and no AL team wants NL pitching. Soriano and Garcia/Vazquez for Zito? Iffy move for next year, but as long as we are speculating... thats the anti-billy beane move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxpride77 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 03:52 PM) My garbage man told me that Tyler and Kenny have a handshake agreement that he would go easy on the Sox in 3 years when he's at the show. Three years? With the KC pitching staff, he could be their number 2 this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(rcpweiner @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Uh. If we're following the 2004 Red Sox line of thinking, I'm fine with that. You know, since they won the World Series and all ... BUT THEIR FARM SYSTEM!!! Jesus Flash, give it a rest already. I'll say it right now. Trade every damn prospect on the farm right now if it gets us another title or a shot at the World Series Oh I forgot. World Series aren't guaranteed like minor league pitching prospects. :rolly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JenksForPrez45 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(supernuke @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:19 PM) Any speculation on who we would be getting back? ....Crazy Carl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 05:20 PM) Rafeal Soriano would sure look good in a Sox Uniform. Unlikely now that we've traded for MacDougal. There have been reports that his shoulder's been sore, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(Drew @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:17 PM) The Angels guys on ESPN radio out here are already crying in their beer. I'd like to see a Soriano package bring us Figgins and Shields. That would be epic. But not likely after this MacDougal deal. A pen with Shields may never give up a run again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(hi8is @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:12 PM) i like to fish i like to fish i love to fish i like to fish i like to fish i love to fish i like to fish i like to fish i love to fish i like to fish i like to fish i love to fish i like to fish i like to fish i love to fish this new feature to soxtalk is quite intresting and entertaining. Right on ! I've not been around here as much but Wow what the fish happened around here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 If we trade for Soriano, there's no way in hell we're going to flip him for someone else. That type of trade would make no sense, especially after we got MacDougal today. There's no one that Seattle could realistically trade us that would make up for giving away a potential starting pitcher in McCarthy. I believe KW is going by the belief that if you can't upgrade your pitching, then upgrade your offense. Going from Pods to Soriano is an amazing offensive upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:15 PM) Let's do a "Cubs trade" to get Soraino w/o trading BMac My proposal Gload, Pods, Rogo, and a PTBN for Soriano These of the sort of trades I like. Giving up McCarthy for Soriano? :puke Where's the pseudo Williams out there willing to give us their best young pitchers for Garcia or Vazquez because they're out to "win now?" Where is he? Edited July 24, 2006 by Flash Tizzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(supernuke @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:19 PM) Any speculation on who we would be getting back? Hell... I dunno. Ichiro. I'm just throwing crap and seeing what sticks just like everyone else at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:20 PM) thats the anti-billy beane move So was signing Loaiza and an injured Frank Thomas. This move replaces Zito for a couple years (though not particularly well) and gives them an offensive piece for this year since Thomas is not always healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:24 PM) Hell... I dunno. Ichiro. I'm just throwing crap and seeing what sticks just like everyone else at this point. King Felix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecoyne Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 guys i've seen a few of you mention that Zito may be back on the block again. Is there a source for this, or just speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(G&T @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:24 PM) So was signing Loaiza and an injured Frank Thomas. This move replaces Zito for a couple years (though not particularly well) and gives them an offensive piece for this year since Thomas is not always healthy. The Frank Thomas signing was the ultimate Billy Beane signing. A lifetime OPS of .991 for, what, $1M? Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(soxunited @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:25 PM) guys i've seen a few of you mention that Zito may be back on the block again. Is there a source for this, or just speculation? Random speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(G&T @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:24 PM) So was signing Loaiza and an injured Frank Thomas. This move replaces Zito for a couple years (though not particularly well) and gives them an offensive piece for this year since Thomas is not always healthy. actually i believe the words billy beane used when he signed thomas, was "hes the perfect portrait for our beliefs".....and the loaiza signing also made sense because billy beane knows the value of a 200+ inning pitcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxpride77 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:25 PM) King Felix. Hell Yes!! The only way I would flip Soriano is if Felix was involved. Edited July 24, 2006 by soxpride77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:27 PM) actually i believe the words billy beane used when he signed thomas, was "hes the perfect portrait for our beliefs".....and the loaiza signing also made sense because billy beane knows the value of a 200+ inning pitcher DAMN, da. GMTA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(G&T @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:27 PM) Random speculation. Hiring Boras sure didn't hurt the flame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrain081 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:25 PM) King Felix. Ha, that would be nice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 (edited) Heres some more speculation. Maybe the trade for Soriano would have been done already if McCarthy was part of the deal. Could be Kenny's trying to dump Vazquez or Garcia and keep BMac with plans to move him into the rotation and flip Soriano for Zito, Schmidt, or Dontrelle . Edited July 24, 2006 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnhillegas Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 JUST IN!!!! WE ACQUIRED SORIANO FOR GLOAD AND TRADED HIM TO THE TWINS FOR LIRIANO, SANTANA AND TORII HUNTER (who has magically healed)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAH KENNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:29 PM) Heres some more speculation. Maybe the trade for Soriano would have been done already if McCarthy was part of the deal. Could be Kenny's trying to dump Vazquez or Garcia and keep BMac with plans to move him into the rotation and flip Soriano for Zito, Schmidt, or Dontrelle . FWIW, I specifically asked about Willis Friday night and was told no way jose. QUOTE(shawnhillegas @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:30 PM) JUST IN!!!! WE ACQUIRED SORIANO FOR GLOAD AND TRADED HIM TO THE TWINS FOR LIRIANO, SANTANA AND TORII HUNTER (who has magically healed)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAH KENNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You deserve a suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:31 PM) You deserve a suspension. i was just about to say that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:21 PM) BUT THEIR FARM SYSTEM!!! Oh I forgot. World Series aren't guaranteed like minor league pitching prospects. :rolly No, but there's more of a guarantee involving the production of certain minor league pitchers. Every season there's players you look at and know they'll produce. How often does a team have that guarantee with winning a world series? MacDougal helps us more now, and perhaps the next two, but what about the following seven to nine with Lumsden? There's nothing wrong with thinking about winning now and preserving your team in the future. I like the idea of sustaining success with a strong group of minor leaguers capable of replacing current players. If MacDougal didn't have injury concerns and Kansas City weren't in the division I'd be less reluctant to criticize the move. Edited July 24, 2006 by Flash Tizzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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