nitetrain8601 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:00 PM) R. Soriano has some injury issues right now. If we need to trade for another reliever, then the MacDougal trade was pointless. BTW, I predict now that we're going to despise MacDougal. Okay, to LA for Broxton and a prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 04:01 AM) ever heard of a position change? Yeah....in the wild card standings this week at the Cell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 10:59 PM) Ryan Zimmerman, people. The Nats don't need Fields. They could have him change positions or trade him. The Nationals aren't going to win for a couple of years at least. They just need to acquire the best players they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:02 PM) Yeah....in the wild card standings this week at the Cell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 10:52 PM) He would bat leadoff, not middle of the order. We have enough in the middle of the order with Thome, Konerko, Dye, Pierzynski, and Crede. He's not really a leadoff hitter though. He's having a monster year and his OBP still isn't much higher than Pods. His career OBP is a pathetic .325. It's like .360 this year, but I'd attribute a lot of that to teams pitching around him (his OBP is .338 with no one on, .400 with runners on, despite a virtually identical BA). Just because he can run doesn't mean he's a good leadoff hitter. He displays very little discipline at the plate. Edited July 25, 2006 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:01 PM) ever heard of a position change? Yeah, I've heard of it. So what makes people so sure the Nats would want to stick a guy in left who's been a 3rd baseman his entire baseball career? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 03:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Everett, RAlomar, wanted Delgado, even Blum was a rental. Delgado would have been a rental? How do you know this for a fact? Don't assume things. Everett, Alomar, and Blum? You are totally right. You got me there. They were great players that we gave up top notch prospects for with the intention of keeping around for years to come. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 One thing to remember is if Soriano signs elsewhere, the Sox would get some decent draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, I've heard of it. So what makes people so sure the Nats would want to stick a guy in left who's been a 3rd baseman his entire baseball career? Why not? The Sox would have to do the same thing. He is a very good athlete that can easily make that position change. Carlos Lee did it and he is not half the athlete Josh Fields is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevHead0881 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:03 PM) Yeah, I've heard of it. So what makes people so sure the Nats would want to stick a guy in left who's been a 3rd baseman his entire baseball career? They are the same guys who took a career 2nd baseman and stook him in left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:03 PM) Delgado would have been a rental? How do you know this for a fact? Don't assume things. Everett, Alomar, and Blum? You are totally right. You got me there. They were great players that we gave up top notch prospects for with the intention of keeping around for years to come. My bad. He would have been a rental, you're assuming things. Frank Thomas was hurt in 2004 and the DH, and Konerko plays 1B. He was coming in in 2004 to take over at DH when Frank was hurt, but refused because of his no trade. Frank was signed for 2005, and Everett was back on the team already too. You're the one assuming, and not doing a very good job at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:04 PM) One thing to remember is if Soriano signs elsewhere, the Sox would get some decent draft picks. Yes! Then maybe Flash will get his wish and we could draft "our" Liriano. You know since those kinda guys are so easy to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He's not really a leadoff hitter though. He's having a monster year and his OBP still isn't much higher than Pods. His career OBP is a pathetic .325. It's like .360 this year, but I'd attribute a lot of that to teams pitching around him (his OBP is .338 with no one on, .400 with runners on, despite a virtually identical BA). Just because he can run doesn't mean he's a good leadoff hitter. He displays very little discipline at the plate. He is definitely a leadoff hitter. His best years have always been batting leadoff. He can't hit anywhere else. Think what you want, but he is a leadoff hitter and he would come here to do just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 04:06 AM) He would have been a rental, you're assuming things. Frank Thomas was hurt in 2004 and the DH, and Konerko plays 1B. He was coming in in 2004 to take over at DH when Frank was hurt, but refused because of his no trade. Frank was signed for 2005, and Everett was back on the team already too. You're the one assuming, and not doing a very good job at it. Come on now DA, no reason for actual facts or logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:07 PM) Yes! Then maybe Flash will get his wish and we could draft "our" Liriano. You know since those kinda guys are so easy to find. If we were smart, we would actually draft a guy who has power in their arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Why would we want Soriano at leadoff? Isn't a leadoff hitter supposed to only steal bases and bunt? I don't want a guy who can knock in runs and create offense when we're facing a tough lefty or a catcher who can throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 04:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He would have been a rental, you're assuming things. Frank Thomas was hurt in 2004 and the DH, and Konerko plays 1B. He was coming in in 2004 to take over at DH when Frank was hurt, but refused because of his no trade. Frank was signed for 2005, and Everett was back on the team already too. You're the one assuming, and not doing a very good job at it. I suppose they couldn't do anything with Frank or Everett then and keep Delgado (the better player). Why would you assume that they couldn't or wouldn't? Proceed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:08 PM) If we were smart, we would actually draft a guy who has power in their arm. I still remember Hawk talking a couple of years ago, raving about all the guys in the system that threw 95. Where are they? QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:09 PM) I suppose they couldn't do anything with Frank or Everett then and keep Delgado (the better player). Why would you assume that they couldn't or wouldn't? Proceed. I not up for arguing with you, you're being absurd. But remember the Sox weren't selling out and wouldn't have been able to afford Delgado at that time. Edited July 25, 2006 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:10 PM) I still remember Hawk talking a couple of years ago, raving about all the guys in the system that threw 95. Where are they? I not up for arguing with you, you're being absurd. Sleeping, it's 11:00. People have work ya know. GZUS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 04:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I still remember Hawk talking a couple of years ago, raving about all the guys in the system that threw 95. Where are they? I not up for arguing with you, you're being absurd. Yeah, your'e right. You can't defend it, so I am absurd. Correct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:09 PM) Why would we want Soriano at leadoff? Isn't a leadoff hitter supposed to only steal bases and bunt? I don't want a guy who can knock in runs and create offense when we're facing a tough lefty or a catcher who can throw. Don't be silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:10 PM) I still remember Hawk talking a couple of years ago, raving about all the guys in the system that threw 95. Where are they? I not up for arguing with you, you're being absurd. But remember the Sox weren't selling out and wouldn't have been able to afford Delgado at that time. Thinks of best pitchers on team: Jenks, Thornton, Cotts, MacDougal, Contreras, Garland Proceeds to think why Freddy has sucked this season. Oh yeah, lack of velocity. Proceeds to see Buehrle continue to not hit exact locations and getting knocked around because of lack of velocity to make up for shortcomings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:11 PM) Yeah, your'e right. You can't defend it, so I am absurd. Correct! You are. The couldn't afford Delgado long term, and the reason Delgado gave for turning down the trade was he didn't want to go somewhere for a couple of months, even though it would have meant a pennant race. Don't let the facts get in your way, you're on a roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:07 PM) He is definitely a leadoff hitter. His best years have always been batting leadoff. He can't hit anywhere else. Think what you want, but he is a leadoff hitter and he would come here to do just that. How could he not hit anywhere else? With his power he can easily hit in the middle of the order. He's pretty much lead off every year, so that'd be true by default. The only time he hit lower in the order was in Texas where he didn't have much protection behind him. He still put up pretty solid numbers down there, and was better in that spot than leading off those years. It still mystifies me why people insist on batting him leadoff. He doesn't get on base nearly enough and doesn't see very many pitches. If we needed a middle of the order bat that'd be one thing, but unless we can get him for only prospects acquiring doesn't make sense to me. Edited July 25, 2006 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:09 PM) Why would we want Soriano at leadoff? Isn't a leadoff hitter supposed to only steal bases and bunt? I don't want a guy who can knock in runs and create offense when we're facing a tough lefty or a catcher who can throw. Has only 6 less SB than Pods. Best numbers have been in leadoff spot. Hmm...we may be on to here Sparky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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