DBAHO Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Interesting to see that the 2 main prospects the Tiggies would be have built a trade around Humberto Sanchez and Jurrnitta (I think that's his name), are both injured IIRC. Wonder if that will possibly affect their chances at acquiring Soriano. Apparently some people think Sanchez could have a Zumaya or Verlander like impact next season possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 06:16 PM) Actually there are several people on this site who have sources at some level or another. Absolutely. There are too many "owners" who like to talk to keep things under wraps for too long. As for this "rumor", the most consistant thing I have heard is that Washington simply wanted too much. Additionally, I would not be surprised to still see Brandon shipped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 08:44 AM) Additionalluy, I would not be surprised to still see Brandon shipped out. For a while there yesterday, I thought he was already a goner. Hopefully he can find a ride to the airport if he does get traded. Edited July 25, 2006 by Rowand44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 11:46 PM) For a while there yesterday, I thought he was already a goner. I wonder how Brandon himself felt yesterday when he heard the report, and then to go out and pitch last night. Talk about a different range of emotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toasty Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 espn's national radio updates still say close to soriano deal, but note that the sox do not want to include mccarthy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen_Rope Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 I really think Kenny Williams is just trying to drive up the price for Soriano to keep him out of a Tiger uniform. I would love to see his bat in the lineup, but if it was going to happen, I think it already would have. Besides, Kenny was quoted yesterday as saying, "...McCarthy or Fields will not be a part of any deal." Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Just moved the thread to the Trade Winds as we already have a discussion on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 DBAHO, I found the NYDaily News thing bizarre as well. If we won't even deal Broadway, who WOULD we deal? SO far Williams has shown a reluctance to deal McCarthy, Sweeney, and Fields. Why he would include Lumsden in a deal for MacDougal yet refuse to include Broadway in a deal for Soriano makes no sense. He shouldn't even be talking to Jim Bowden if Broadway is off-limits. I have to think the NYDaily News is back to making things up on that one. What could possibly get this deal done? As much as some of us would love to see Podsednik dealt, I would think the chances of him staying are better than they are of him going. I would think his legs would be enough to keep him around for this year and to possibly platoon once in a while with BA against tough righties, as much as no one wants him in CF. IMHO, he couldn't possibly be worse than Mack out there. So if we are looking at a possible deal for prospects, we have maybe something like Broadway, Fields, and Liotta? And WHY was Gload playing the OF suddenly last night instead of Mack? Is Kenny trying to include him in some deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Anyone else find it strange that the Sox are reportedly "extremely close" to getting Soriano, but there doesn't even seem to be an agreement as to the key pieces to the deal? McCarthy? Broadway? Pods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(bighurt574 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 09:53 AM) Anyone else find it strange that the Sox are reportedly "extremely close" to getting Soriano, but there doesn't even seem to be an agreement as to the key pieces to the deal? McCarthy? Broadway? Pods? Completely normal. Welcome to the last 8 days of July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Everett, RAlomar, wanted Delgado, even Blum was a rental. I disagree with you on those two. Carl salary was way too high for arbitration and the Sox's original plan was to re-sign him and trade Maggs off to Boston. The Boston trade fell through, so we didn't need Everett. Alomar was supposed to re-sign with the Sox as well, but I recall him firing his agent after his agent tried to get more money from the Sox or something which resulted in the Sox not signing him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Sox Fan Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 When has anyone gotten it right before? No one ever speculates correctly about what Kenny will do. If we trade I don't want Soriano, especially if BMac is involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam G Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(bighurt574 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 09:53 AM) Anyone else find it strange that the Sox are reportedly "extremely close" to getting Soriano, but there doesn't even seem to be an agreement as to the key pieces to the deal? McCarthy? Broadway? Pods? Smokescreen for us going after Andruw Jones? *crosses fingers* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane0730 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Adam G @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 10:35 AM) Smokescreen for us going after Andruw Jones? *crosses fingers* ATL is very much alive in the WC chase. They're adding (Wickman). NO way they move Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 10:05 AM) Carl salary was way too high for arbitration and the Sox's original plan was to re-sign him and trade Maggs off to Boston. The Boston trade fell through, so we didn't need Everett. Maggs and McCarthy were off to Boston for Garciaparra and Williamson, and KW had a contract with Juan Gonzalez ready to sign, just waiting on the ARod to Boston trade going through, and it never happened. Also...if Fields, Sweeney, McCarthy, and Broadway aren't being moved, than this entire extremely close to a deal ordeal is smoke with no fire. Not a chance in hell Bowden is moving Soriano without atleast 2 of those 4, let alone none of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam G Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(kane0730 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 10:37 AM) ATL is very much alive in the WC chase. They're adding (Wickman). NO way they move Jones. I've heard that argument, but I dont buy it really. Even if they are technically only 5 games out in the WC, they're 4 games under .500 in the NL. That's an awful team, any way you cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Adam G @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 10:44 AM) I've heard that argument, but I dont buy it really. Even if they are technically only 5 games out in the WC, they're 4 games under .500 in the NL. That's an awful team, any way you cut it. They're adding players...it doesn't matter what their record is. They are buyers in this market, not sellers, and they've pretty well established that already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Looks like this is just a pure case of Kenny trying to block Soriano to the Tigers or at least driving up the price. It seems he has no intention of trading for Soriano at all unless he completely rips them off. That isn't going to happen under Bowden's watch. If you're not even going to trade some top prospects for a guy like Soriano, it's just posturing. Thing is, if the White Sox are offering such a horrible package(has to be bad since there is no Broadway, Fields, McCarthy) then they really aren't driving up the price because I'm sure Detroit could offer a similar package and probably will offer a bit better one. Then you have Bowden pissed off for offering such crap and if he knows you had no intention of trading for Soriano and just was wasting his time, he might just go straight to Detroit and say "gimme your best offer." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 04:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And yet we've developed SP's like Brandon McCarthy who have shown they can successful at the major league level. And other SP's in our system like Gonzalez, Haigwood and Lumsden have brought us back Jim Thome and Mike MacDougall. You can't just draft a power pitcher and expect him to develop into a #1 or #2 caliber starter like that. Look at Adam Miller in the Indians organization, and how highly he was rated 2 seasons ago, compared to where he is now. We have? Brandon McCarthy is not really developed yet. We can't really say for sure what we have with him. We have only really developed Garland, Buehrle, Cotts, and maybe Jenks if you consider us developing him or not I don't know. We have nothing in developing pitching in the majors on other teams. I guess Kip Wells and Josh Fogg are it. We are not a very good system for developing our own pitchers. We usually have more busts than quality ptichers. QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 05:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't really see that as the case. I'd rather have him being a major power threat at like 5 or 6 with our big OBP guys on base already instead of depending on Uribe and Anderson to get on in front of them, or possibly #2. He has more value driving runs in than getting on base in front of other big sticks. Seriously, this is the first year that he has ever cracked 40 walks, and he's never finished the year batting over .300. IMO he's really miscast as a leadoff hitter and people keep putting him there because he can run. The leadoff spot really seems like a waste of his best traits. I don't really like the idea of having a guy that hits 28 homers in an off year leading off. His OBP and impatience aren't really an issue lower in the order as well. Who are our big OBP guys that will be leading off? I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane0730 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Adam G @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 10:44 AM) I've heard that argument, but I dont buy it really. Even if they are technically only 5 games out in the WC, they're 4 games under .500 in the NL. That's an awful team, any way you cut it. Yes they are an awful team, but they play in an equally awful league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Try to convince me that Javy Vazquez is a better starter than Brandon TODAY. Its just not true. Forget potential, this guy is already one of our 5 best starters and we need to stretch him out and f'n use him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 The Braves offense is sensational now. There's no way they're going to be sellers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 11:06 AM) We have? Brandon McCarthy is not really developed yet. We can't really say for sure what we have with him. We have only really developed Garland, Buehrle, Cotts, and maybe Jenks if you consider us developing him or not I don't know. We have nothing in developing pitching in the majors on other teams. I guess Kip Wells and Josh Fogg are it. We are not a very good system for developing our own pitchers. We usually have more busts than quality ptichers. Who are our big OBP guys that will be leading off? I don't get it. im pretty sure all 4 of those names were crucial in winning us a world series and also pretty sure that 3 of them have been allstars.....id say thats a good job at developing some pitchers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 11:13 AM) Try to convince me that Javy Vazquez is a better starter than Brandon TODAY. Its just not true. Forget potential, this guy is already one of our 5 best starters and we need to stretch him out and f'n use him Convince me Brandon McCarthy is better than Javier Vazquez today. You really can't come up with an argument. BMac isn't stretched out, he had a couple good games down the stretch last year, but hasn't proven a thing. His bullpen numbers don't suggest he's anything great either. I don't know where people get the notion that McCarthy would just step in and be way better than Vazquez. I don't know why we just don't use Vazquez until the 6th, put BMac in there for a couple of innings, then throw in MacDougal/Thornton in the 8th and Jenks in the 9th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misplaced_Sox Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 ^I agree Vazquez is probably even better than Mac for the first 5 anyway. Ozzie should do what he did for Garland last year. Take him out of the games with leads before he explodes and make him earn it to stay in longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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