rowand's rowdies Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 (edited) First of all, I am for trading for Soriano. We do need another bat apparently since we are not scoring and 50% of the time we do it is off of a HR. Our pitching will improve at least a little and as long as it does, if we add some offense, we will be fine. As for defense, Pods couldnt be much worse, and for what I hear, Soriano is doing just fine. We will win the wild card (barring what I still think will be some losses by Det and a Cleveland-esque run for us, which IS possible) and then we can beat up on the tigers, boSox, or whoever else is in the playoffs. We will NOT be playing like this in 2 months. My question is- WHY IS WASHINGTON GOING TO TAKE THE PACKAGE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT???? For the last month it was players like Zumaya, McCarthy, and other top prospects. Now its Pods, Phillips, and another prospect??? No way. I wouldn't trade Vaz for that. Why would they trade one of the best players in baseball for that? When McDougal gets our best pitching prospect and a good 2nd prospect? Just my thoughts. Edited July 25, 2006 by rowand's rowdies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(rowand @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 02:53 PM) When McDougal gets our best pitching prospect and a good 2nd prospect? Just my thoughts. I definitely would not consider Lumsden our best pitching prospect, and it's not entirely agreeable to call Daniel Cortes a "good" prospect. He wasn't bad by any means, but I wouldn't call him good as of yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(rowand @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 01:53 PM) My question is- WHY IS WASHINGTON GOING TO TAKE THE PACKAGE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT???? For the last month it was players like Zumaya, McCarthy, and other top prospects. Now its Pods, Phillips, and another prospect??? No way. I wouldn't trade Vaz for that. Why would they trade one of the best players in baseball for that? When McDougal gets our best pitching prospect and a good 2nd prospect? Just my thoughts. 2 reasons. One, No one is going to give up a Zumaya, Ervin Santana, or Brandon McCarthy for 2 months of Alfonso Soriano. Washington could hold out as long as humanly possible and they wouldn't get that offer. And secondly, they are in a position where they actually NEED to deal him. They cannot really seriously afford to just get the 2 draft picks they'll receive if they lose Soriano at the end of the year, when they could get talent that is much closer to the major leagues by trading him now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 4 pm update on ESPN1000, the update guy quoted Bruce Levine as saying the White Sox and Nationals are talking, and the White Sox are putting together a package of prospects, possibly to include Lance Broadway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 02:02 PM) 4 pm update on ESPN1000, the update guy quoted Bruce Levine as saying the White Sox and Nationals are talking, and the White Sox are putting together a package of prospects, possibly to include Lance Broadway. It seems like the Tigers best prospects are both hurt and with the Tigers now having a bigger lead I think they are starting to think and wonder whether they should risk making a big move. The Angels aren't a team known to overpay while the Twins could definately use him but they may be hesitant to give up whats necessary. Nor do I really think they have the mixture of prospects that the Sox have. A lower budget team like the Twins can't afford to give up a ton of prospects for a guy they may lose. A 100 mill payroll team has a bit more leeway. On Around the Horn, Marriotti really stuck up for BA and thats nice to see. I actually like Jay on around the horn for the most part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 04:06 PM) It seems like the Tigers best prospects are both hurt and with the Tigers now having a bigger lead I think they are starting to think and wonder whether they should risk making a big move. The Angels aren't a team known to overpay while the Twins could definately use him but they may be hesitant to give up whats necessary. Nor do I really think they have the mixture of prospects that the Sox have. A lower budget team like the Twins can't afford to give up a ton of prospects for a guy they may lose. A 100 mill payroll team has a bit more leeway. Somehow, I am picturing KW and Jim Bowden really enjoying this exchange... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 this thread was entirely neccessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 I really hope this trade goes through. Moves like this can not only put the new player's production in the lineup, it can spark the entire team to perform at a higher level. Come on K-Dubs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(bmags @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 04:09 PM) this thread was entirely neccessary. I liked it because I've been working all the time and don't have time to read a 60 page thread. As far as I knew, B-Mac was still the target of the Nationals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 If we were to trade Pods and some prospects for Soriano (not named Fields or Broadway), I woudn't even be too upset if we couldn't re-sign him. That way, we'd be starting fresh with a new left fielder, and I highly doubt it would be anyone from our system. It's too bad we don't have any real "toolsy" outfielders in our system, as everyone knows Bowden loves those type of guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 04:02 PM) 4 pm update on ESPN1000, the update guy quoted Bruce Levine as saying the White Sox and Nationals are talking, and the White Sox are putting together a package of prospects, possibly to include Lance Broadway. I think I would die if we could obtain Soriano without having to ship Brandon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 I know we did this a few times with the Griffeytalk last year and some of the other rumors so its always nice to have a thread where people can come to and look for the most recent info: It appears the two clubs are still talking and that the Sox are still the favorites. According to Kurkijian the package is believed to involve 3 players, one of which Levine has reported to potentially be Broadway (someone the Sox have been hesitant to give up) and the major holdup (again according to Kurkijian) is on the 3rd player in the deal. Here's some food for thought: Broadway, Pods, Tracey for Soriano They get a leadoff hitter who they can put in LF and control his rights for another couple years (or they could move him), a pretty good RHP pitching prospect that could be ready for the majors in a year (not saying he'd be good in a year, but I think he could handle himself sometime next year) and a guy like Tracey who could pitch now (maybe we give them a 4th prospect, in this case, being a low level minor leaguer). Nats get some talent, Sox get there guy without giving up McCarthy or any other starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 I wish this deal would get done or be officially off already. I love/hate the trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Hey ChiSoxfn, when this gets super long, could you just merge it with the locked thread and we'll start another. I have a feeling people will have at least 120 more pages of discussions on Soriano. Soriano = Griffey & Chavez combined in terms of discussion on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 i'm all for this trade if: pods is involved and bmac isn't. Because the whole soriano in left and pods in center discussion was downright depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 02:15 PM) Hey ChiSoxfn, when this gets super long, could you just merge it with the locked thread and we'll start another. I have a feeling people will have at least 120 more pages of discussions on Soriano. Soriano = Griffey & Chavez combined in terms of discussion on this board. If it comse to that definately. Of course I'm hoping the next thread will be the one where we change this to announcing the deal as being OFFICIAL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 03:12 PM) If we were to trade Pods and some prospects for Soriano (not named Fields or Broadway), I woudn't even be too upset if we couldn't re-sign him. That way, we'd be starting fresh with a new left fielder, and I highly doubt it would be anyone from our system. It's too bad we don't have any real "toolsy" outfielders in our system, as everyone knows Bowden loves those type of guys. Fields can be thought of as a toolsy player. Seeing as he is likely athletically capable to play a few positions. I don't mind parting with Fields however, if we can keep a 100% proven impact player like Soriano long-term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Stark's latest report claims that while Kirkijan still claims that the White Sox and Nationals are in talks, the deal was never extremely close. He says that most GM's aren't buying the rumors, and are wondering how Bowden could do this deal this early if both Fields and McCarthy are unavailable. States that Bowden is still inviting offers. Speculates KW may be trying to put a package together that includes Broadway, Sweeney, and Liotta, but those aren't the kind of blue chip prospects Bowden is looking for. That is the deal you may take on Sunday, but not on Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 04:12 PM) It's too bad we don't have any real "toolsy" outfielders in our system, as everyone knows Bowden loves those type of guys. Chris Young would have been the major part in this deal, and it could have been done by now. But instead, we have Vaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 03:15 PM) If it comse to that definately. Of course I'm hoping the next thread will be the one where we change this to announcing the deal as being OFFICIAL. Yeah, Kenny, Soxtalk's servers are begging you, get this deal over with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 04:06 PM) It seems like the Tigers best prospects are both hurt and with the Tigers now having a bigger lead I think they are starting to think and wonder whether they should risk making a big move. The Angels aren't a team known to overpay while the Twins could definately use him but they may be hesitant to give up whats necessary. Nor do I really think they have the mixture of prospects that the Sox have. A lower budget team like the Twins can't afford to give up a ton of prospects for a guy they may lose. A 100 mill payroll team has a bit more leeway. On Around the Horn, Marriotti really stuck up for BA and thats nice to see. I actually like Jay on around the horn for the most part. Blasphemy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 03:16 PM) Blasphemy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Little tip, change your post per page settings to 75. Solves the problem of 60 page threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(Jake @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 09:15 PM) Fields can be thought of as a toolsy player. Seeing as he is likely athletically capable to play a few positions. I don't mind parting with Fields however, if we can keep a 100% proven impact player like Soriano long-term. Exactly. Fields' stock will never be higher than it is right now. It's too bad the Nats have Zimmerman there already. However, I don't want to see both Broadway and Sweeney included in this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 02:16 PM) Stark's latest report claims that while Kirkijan still claims that the White Sox and Nationals are in talks, the deal was never extremely close. He says that most GM's aren't buying the rumors, and are wondering how Bowden could do this deal this early if both Fields and McCarthy are unavailable. States that Bowden is still inviting offers. Speculates KW may be trying to put a package together that includes Broadway, Sweeney, and Liotta, but those aren't the kind of blue chip prospects Bowden is looking for. That is the deal you may take on Sunday, but not on Tuesday. Interesting and that seems like a very fair package. I know a lot of people would hate us giving up Sweeney, but if the Sox plan on keeping Soriano than we may not need Sweeney. Of course Sweeney could replace Dye in time, but thats still a ways down the road and we could always opt for something else or trade for a prospect of sorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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