Zito to Sox (3-Way trade possibility)

[Felix]

I guess I don't get it. Aren't the A's in contention? Why are they trading their Ace?

He's not going to resign there in the offseason, and Billy Beane is the sort of guy that would deal him for the right prospects (Milledge and McCarthy are high up on his list afaik) so they get something better than 2 draft picks which they would receive as compensation.

[beck72]

FWIW, to get a Zito, we would realistically have to include Brandon McCarthy and that ain't happenin.

 

The right strategy IMHO should be to trade a starter in Garcia or Vazquez to open up a spot for B-Mac, not trade for another starter.

 

Doesn't make sense for a 2 month rental, considering the players you would have to give up.

It makes sense that another team would want and overpay to get Zito. The Sox don't really need to, despite the SP's struggles. Now if Zito was under contract for another yr or two, yes KW would probably pull a deal. But he's not.

[DBAHO]

I guess I don't get it. Aren't the A's in contention? Why are they trading their Ace?

Typical Beane move, e.g the Hudson and Mulder deals.

 

He knows that Zito won't be coming back, and if he can get a young stud SP prospect, or even a position player e.g like Dan Meyer and Dan Haren, he'll probably make the deal.

[Felix]

I would love this deal, provided we don't lose BMAC.

Give Oakland Sweeney or Fields or someone in the minors that they may want. Some prospects.

Give the Mets Freddy or Vazquez.

Take Zito, and when he's gone in the offseason, plug McCarthy into his spot.

 

That's what I'd like, anyway.

 

At least now we have an idea what Kenny's "bigger than that" comment meant.

I would hate to see Sweeney elsewhere, especially when we'd only be getting a 2 month rental. That would be a huge ripoff.

[Wedge]

He's not going to resign there in the offseason, and Billy Beane is the sort of guy that would deal him for the right prospects (Milledge and McCarthy are high up on his list afaik) so they get something better than 2 draft picks which they would receive as compensation.

 

so he's bizzaro Kenny? He thinks the 2008 World Series can be won in 2006?

[Felix]

or even a position player e.g like Dan Meyer and Dan Haren

Both Meyer and Haren are pitchers

[beck72]

The MEts wouldn't help us get Zito. He's the SP they'd want

[DBAHO]

It makes sense that another team would want and overpay to get Zito. The Sox don't really need to, despite the SP's struggles. Now if Zito was under contract for another yr or two, yes KW would probably pull a deal. But he's not.

That's why he got a guy in MacDougall who we'll control until 2009 IIRC. Getting Zito doesn't make any sense to me, when I personally think there's better moves to make.

[Felix]

so he's bizzaro Kenny? He thinks the 2008 World Series can be won in 2006?

No, but he doesn't have the money at his disposal to make moves to win it this year, so he'll trade off players that won't resign to put himself in a better position for the future with young studs. I mean, seriously, which would you rather? 2 months of Zito or 6 years of someone like Milledge?

[DBAHO]

Both Meyer and Haren are pitchers

Yeah I know, switch the position player and SP spect in that sentence, but u get my drift.

[Felix]

The MEts wouldn't help us get Zito. He's the SP they'd want

Suppose someone like Vazquez or Freddy was sent to the Mets. Vazquez has connections with Minaya through Montreal, and both pitchers are hispanic, something that is apparently important to the Mets. If that were the case, they might be willing to, although I wouldn't bet on it.

[beck72]

That's why he got a guy in MacDougall who we'll control until 2009 IIRC. Getting Zito doesn't make any sense to me, when I personally think there's better moves to make.

That's why, if this story is correct, I think the Sox could be the 3rd team, not getting Zito, but other useful players

[DBAHO]

That's why, if this story is correct, I think the Sox could be the 3rd team, not getting Zito, but other useful players

Yeah for example if you traded prospects to acquire Zito right, then you traded him to a team that desperately needed him like say for instance the Dodgers, who could give up a package including say a Jonathan Broxton, a young stud reliever who can help you now and in the future.

 

That's the only way I could see us being invovled in a 3 way deal revolving around Barry Zito.

 

EDIT: How does a Zito and Uribe for Broxton, Furcal and maybe a spect deal sound?

[southsider2k5]

Zito will help us now.

FWIW, Boras was at 2 Boston/White Sox games. 1 in Unc's box. Perhaps they've mended the fence.

 

Well that certianly makes things interesting. Could we be talking about a signing along with a trade then?

[DBAHO]

Well that certianly makes things interesting. Could we be talking about a signing along with a trade then?

If you could get Zito locked up, then hell yeah do the deal.

 

But looking at Bora$$'$ history, how many of clients has he allowed to re-sign with their current team when they are about to hit FA that off-season?

[Felix]

EDIT: How does a Zito and Uribe for Broxton, Furcal and maybe a spect deal sound?

Fish no (and yes, I typed fish). Furcal is not that good a baseball player, and is hardly worth the 13 million he'll be making both next year and 2008.

[DBAHO]

Fish no (and yes, I typed fish). Furcal is not that good a baseball player, and is hardly worth the 13 million he'll be making both next year and 2008.

I suggested that because maybe you could get the Dodgers pay a bit of his deal, like they did with Odalis Perez.

 

And with Podsednik probably leaving next season (even though he is arbitration eligible IIRC), we'll need a leadoff hitter to replace him. Upgrading from Uribe, seems like the best choice for me, if you can't get a guy like Carl Crawford.

 

Plus if you trade Garcia, you save the $10M you'll have to pay him next season as well. You might as well put that money towards something right?

[iamshack]

Yeah for example if you traded prospects to acquire Zito right, then you traded him to a team that desperately needed him like say for instance the Dodgers, who could give up a package including say a Jonathan Broxton, a young stud reliever who can help you now and in the future.

 

That's the only way I could see us being invovled in a 3 way deal revolving around Barry Zito.

 

EDIT: How does a Zito and Uribe for Broxton, Furcal and maybe a spect deal sound?

 

Why on earth would we want to deal Uribe for Furcal? A player who makes $13 million to steal bases?

 

Juan just about matches him defensively and hits for more power. I want no part of a declining Rafael Furcal.

 

I don't understand why a reliever is even necessary at this point.

 

As for the Zito speculation, I cannot fathom a scenario wherein the third team involved would be the Mets. Minyana would get CRUCIFIED if he was involved in a deal involving Zito and allowed him to go to Chicago.

And I cannot see Kenny being involved in ANY deal where he isn't getting the highest impact player. The Mets and White Sox both have GM's who go after impact players and there just aren't enough impact players for the A's to give up to two teams.

 

If this is true, I imagine it would be a deal where the White Sox get Zito, another team gets Garcia, and we swing Broadway along with the prospects from the other team to the A's for Zito. That third team would HAVE to be a national league team, because there isn't another AL team that would help us acquire Zito AND take on a high-salaried player.

 

I dunno...this sounds pretty difficult to imagine being true...

[Dick Allen]

Zito will help us now.

FWIW, Boras was at 2 Boston/White Sox games. 1 in Unc's box. Perhaps they've mended the fence.

I don't think Boras is ever going to change the way he does business, so I see no way that fence will ever be mended. They may have been discussing a contract for Crede. Either that, or maybe JR wasn't at the game Boras was in his box.

Edited July 26, 2006 by Dick Allen

[iamshack]

If you could get Zito locked up, then hell yeah do the deal.

 

But looking at Bora$$'$ history, how many of clients has he allowed to re-sign with their current team when they are about to hit FA that off-season?

 

Boras was just quoted as saying he doesn't believe there is enough time to be able to structure and agree to an extension before the deadline. "These things take too much time."

[DBAHO]

I don't think Boras is ever going to change the way he does business, so I see no way that fence will ever be mended. They may have been discussing a contract for Crede. Either that, or maybe JR wasn't at the game Boras was in his box.

Even better news if the they can get Joe locked up to a long - term deal for a few years. Has certainly earned that with his play this season thus far.

[Dick Allen]

Boras was just quoted as saying he doesn't believe there is enough time to be able to structure and agree to an extension before the deadline. "These things take too much time."

Exactly. I see no way Zito signs a contract quickly with Boras running the show. He's has to be as near of lock as can be to be a free agent unless the Mets trade for him and give him an ungodly contract.

[Felix]

I suggested that because maybe you could get the Dodgers pay a bit of his deal, like they did with Odalis Perez.

 

And with Podsednik probably leaving next season (even though he is arbitration eligible IIRC), we'll need a leadoff hitter to replace him. Upgrading from Uribe, seems like the best choice for me, if you can't get a guy like Carl Crawford.

 

Plus if you trade Garcia, you save the $10M you'll have to pay him next season as well. You might as well put that money towards something right?

I don't consider Furcal much of an upgrade over Uribe, especially when you look at their salaries. That's just me though, I know that Soxtalk was all over the Furcal bandwagon during the last offseason.

[iamshack]

Ok, has anyone else actually heard this report, or is this someone playing a little prank to give us something to talk about in the wake of the Soriano (non) deal?

[beck72]

As for the Zito speculation, I cannot fathom a scenario wherein the third team involved would be the Mets. Minyana would get CRUCIFIED if he was involved in a deal involving Zito and allowed him to go to Chicago.

And I cannot see Kenny being involved in ANY deal where he isn't getting the highest impact player. The Mets and White Sox both have GM's who go after impact players and there just aren't enough impact players for the A's to give up to two teams.

 

If this is true, I imagine it would be a deal where the White Sox get Zito, another team gets Garcia, and we swing Broadway along with the prospects from the other team to the A's for Zito. That third team would HAVE to be a national league team, because there isn't another AL team that would help us acquire Zito AND take on a high-salaried player.

 

I dunno...this sounds pretty difficult to imagine being true...

 

The only teams that could or might be interested in Zito would be STL, Ariz, SD. The dodgers maybe, but they need other help.