Ozzie? Has he lost this team?

[ILoveThisGAme]

I am a new member to soxtalk and I have been following this team all season long. It seems to me that Ozzie is losing the respect from his players. Look at Sunday for instance...Yelling at Garland in front of everyone, in front of the cameras! I mean come on, you do that behind closed doors, you don't do that in the middle of a crucial game. I know Ozzie is trying to make a point, but with the whole Mariotti thing, the Tracey thing, the Garland thing, and then Kenny saying on national television that he could lose his job. I am a die hard fan and I think we all know that when your boss lights you up, you don't want to work! I am not throwing Ozzie under the bandwagon because he brought us a World Series championship last year. But he has to realize that baseball has changed and you have to gain the respect from your players if you want them to perform!

[Wedge]

I am a new member to soxtalk and I have been following this team all season long. It seems to me that Ozzie is losing the respect from his players. Look at Sunday for instance...Yelling at Garland in front of everyone, in front of the cameras! I mean come on, you do that behind closed doors, you don't do that in the middle of a crucial game. I know Ozzie is trying to make a point, but with the whole Mariotti thing, the Tracey thing, the Garland thing, and then Kenny saying on national television that he could lose his job. I am a die hard fan and I think we all know that when your boss lights you up, you don't want to work! I am not throwing Ozzie under the bandwagon because he brought us a World Series championship last year. But he has to realize that baseball has changed and you have to gain the respect from your players if you want them to perform!

 

at the very least, the players should respect themselves by winning, even if they don't respect the manager. I don't think he's lost the team, I just think they suck right now.

[greg775]

he hasn't lost 'em.

Now Coop has some work to do. Coop needs to work overtime

figuring what we need to do.

I agree with the poster who said we need to go to a six man

rotation for a while. Or put Mark on the 15 day to rest his arm.

[RME JICO]

If Ozzie didn't respect his players Anderson would have been in the minors after April, the pitchers would be getting the hook after the first run scored, and several of the other players would have been benched. Ozzie sticks with his players and at least gives them confidence enough to know that even if they are struggling he is going to send them back out. That is something that the players value.

 

The players know Ozzie wears his emotions on his sleeve and that is who he is. If you look at their record, there is no correlation between how they have played and the incidents that occurred. The Sox won 9 straight after the Tracey incident.

 

Most of the players are making millions playing a kids game, and they need to step up and earn their pay.

 

I know it is easy to just point the finger at the manager, but they don't impact the game nearly as much as people think. Normally the manager is just the scapegoat for sub-par performances by players.

[DBAHO]

No I don't think he has.

 

And I think we should be thankful that Ozzie is actually our manager instead of someone like Jerry Manuel who we've experienced before.

[Colorado Sox Fan]

No.

[Felix]

The latest incident to raise eyebrows about Guillen's interaction with his players came Sunday against the Texas Rangers. After Rangers pitcher Vicente Padilla hit Sox shortstop Alex Cintron, Sox pitcher Jon Garland failed on two attempts to retaliate.

 

When Garland returned to the dugout after the inning, Guillen was visibly upset with the pitcher during their conversation.

 

Guillen talked to Garland after that game and apologized, and Garland was in Guillen's office again Wednesday morning, just shooting the breeze. So much for the perceived rift.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-sside27.html

[LVSoxFan]

You need to read the Sun-Times today. Garland was hanging out in Ozzie's office shooting the breeze after that incident; so much for a big grudge between those two.

 

I don't think he's lost the team, but this whole collapse has been awfully strange.

 

I do agree that this entire team is built on starting pitching, and when that's not happening--as it really hasn't been--it all sort of collapses.

 

That still, however, doesn't explain the AWOL offense. 3.5 runs per game since the ASB. That is awful.

[Felix]

You need to read the Sun-Times today. Garland was hanging out in Ozzie's office shooting the breeze after that incident; so much for a big grudge between those two.

[Hangar18]

I am a new member to soxtalk and I have been following this team all season long. It seems to me that Ozzie is losing the respect from his players. Look at Sunday for instance...Yelling at Garland in front of everyone, in front of the cameras!

 

 

But Ozzie REGAINED the respect by apologizing to Garland afterwards. KUDOS to Garland for letting Ozzie yell at him and taking it with a grain of salt. And Kudos to Ozz for being a man and apologizing. That event will go a long way for both involved. Ozzie is going thru a point right now where he is having to adjust to the team/situation. It happens every year, with every manager. I trust him to do the right thing, Im just worried he'll do it too late for this season is all Im worried about

[DrunkBomber]

I dont know if hes losing his team but there is a much greater significance between the stuff with Marriotti and the rookie pitcher and berating Garland who has pitched great lately. I dont even disagree with the reason, its just something that should be discussed amongst the team behind closed doors and not on Baseball tonite. Its not even like these guys arent trying to do what Ozzies asking, theres morality issues here as well. The temas performance has hindered as of late and its not too far fetched to think its because they are losing respect for Ozzie.

[quickman]

I am not sure I understand why a manager cannot yell at his players. These pussycats are making millions, football players get yelled at all the time. basketball players get yelled at all the time, why can't baseball managers yell at players who do not do what they are told to do. Quite frankly this team needs an enema and I think its time for those who defend this nonsense to wake up and understand this team needs to be yelled at and also needs a good ass kicking.

[Steff]

http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-sside27.html

 

 

 

Someone said there was a rift between Garland and Ozzie?

 

 

 

Sidenote, I love these posters who kiss Ozzie's arse one day, rip it to shreads the next, then just as the wind changes directions.. praise him again. Priceless.

[LVSoxFan]

Well there's been a lot in the press lately about other coaches, whatever, saying you just don't do that in front of the other players, yada, yada and how Garland would be pissed, etc.

 

And that obviously is not the case.

[DrunkBomber]

There is a big difference between being able to yell at your players and expect things from them and belittling them in front of a tv crew. that should be handled in the clubhouse. Now if any of our pitchers ever do retaliate on anyone theyre gonna be suspended quickly. It also shows lack of respect for the players. Ozzie is the manager and should be allowed to protect his players but Im sick of seeing him yell at them on the dug out steps. It makes the Sox look classless and gives us terrible media. Players arent gonna like playing for him anymore and arent gonna perform as well when they feel disrespected, the whole world knows what ozzie wants done if one of our guys gets hit and when the retaliation comes suspensions are gonna be all over. If Ozzie wants to act like a lunatic he at least needs the support of his team so theyll produce and its justified. It isnt about being a baby or the players being too sensitive, its supposed to be a team and Ozzie is disrespecting a guy that has been in our rotation since before he even got here. I dont know for sure if its the cause for the recent poor play but it definately isnt helping.

[CanOfCorn]

There is a big difference between being able to yell at your players and expect things from them and belittling them in front of a tv crew. that should be handled in the clubhouse. Now if any of our pitchers ever do retaliate on anyone theyre gonna be suspended quickly. It also shows lack of respect for the players. Ozzie is the manager and should be allowed to protect his players but Im sick of seeing him yell at them on the dug out steps. It makes the Sox look classless and gives us terrible media. Players arent gonna like playing for him anymore and arent gonna perform as well when they feel disrespected, the whole world knows what ozzie wants done if one of our guys gets hit and when the retaliation comes suspensions are gonna be all over. If Ozzie wants to act like a lunatic he at least needs the support of his team so theyll produce and its justified. It isnt about being a baby or the players being too sensitive, its supposed to be a team and Ozzie is disrespecting a guy that has been in our rotation since before he even got here. I dont know for sure if its the cause for the recent poor play but it definately isnt helping.

 

It's not about the players, it's about sticking up for your team. Padilla has hit our players, what 3 or 4 times this year...and the team hasn't backed it's OWN players. There used to be a time when, if Team A plunked a player and Team B thought it was personal, Team B would plunk a player on Team A. Not only that, but if a member of Team A showed up Team B's pitcher by watching a home run a bit too long or jabbering around the bases, that pitcher would throw behind that batter or hit him the next time up.

 

Ozzie is an old-school ballplayer AND is incredibly emotional. He was like this when he was a player, we just didn't hear about it, except when he called out Big Frank. Ozzie wants to win, but more than that, he wants his players to play hard, play smart and play tough. This is why CLee is gone...you don't slide hard into 2nd to break up a double play...he gawn.

 

As long as he thinks the players are trying their best, he will trust and believe in them.

[iamshack]

Someone said there was a rift between Garland and Ozzie?

Sidenote, I love these posters who kiss Ozzie's arse one day, rip it to shreads the next, then just as the wind changes directions.. praise him again. Priceless.

 

And the entire team as well.

[DrunkBomber]

Dont get me wrong, I completely agree, I think a few players on Texas should be drilled, let Thornton do it, he has a cannon. I just dont agree with the cleaning of team laundry in the public eye. Its debatable whether Jon was trying to hit him or not but it went behind him twice. This should have been discussed behind closed doors. I completely agree with Ozzies point and the reasoning behind it but I hate the way he goes about it. It isnt working. If were gonna bean players, great, lets stand up for the team, dont make it public and risk getting Garland suspended by telling the media our plans. Or just have someone charge the mound if it happens again. We still havent effectively retaliated, Brian Andersons punch was the most effective show of team unity this year.

[mmmmmbeeer]

Outside of this losing streak, what exactly has given you the impression that the team has lost respect for Oz? I've never heard any hint of your accusation in any player's comments. I've never seen Oz's plays be ignored, minus hitting the opponent. I do hear that the clubhouse is still loose, atleast according to the media.

 

I think you're just looking for a reason for this bad streak. I think it really boils down to execution and performance, nothing to do with the player/manager relationship.

[Sonik22]

he hasn't lost 'em.

Now Coop has some work to do. Coop needs to work overtime

figuring what we need to do.

I agree with the poster who said we need to go to a six man

rotation for a while. Or put Mark on the 15 day to rest his arm.

Ozzie will fix him!

[DrunkBomber]

Even if they were winning I wouldnt like the idea of risking our most productive pitcher as of late by telling the media we are planning to bean people. The only thing making it seem worse is the poor performance. I never said it was the cause, I said it wasnt helping, and its not.

[Steff]

It's not about the players, it's about sticking up for your team. Padilla has hit our players, what 3 or 4 times this year...and the team hasn't backed it's OWN players. There used to be a time when, if Team A plunked a player and Team B thought it was personal, Team B would plunk a player on Team A. Not only that, but if a member of Team A showed up Team B's pitcher by watching a home run a bit too long or jabbering around the bases, that pitcher would throw behind that batter or hit him the next time up.

 

Ozzie is an old-school ballplayer AND is incredibly emotional. He was like this when he was a player, we just didn't hear about it, except when he called out Big Frank. Ozzie wants to win, but more than that, he wants his players to play hard, play smart and play tough. This is why CLee is gone...you don't slide hard into 2nd to break up a double play...he gawn.

 

As long as he thinks the players are trying their best, he will trust and believe in them.

 

 

What does sticking up for your team have to do with Ozzie yelling at Garland in front of God and everyone?

[Guest JimH]

What does sticking up for your team have to do with Ozzie yelling at Garland in front of God and everyone?

 

While it's certainly debateable whether his method of delivering the message was appropriate, two things happened when he did that ... he showed consistency of dealing with an issue immediately, ala Sean Tracey, and the whole team heard the message right then and there about the need to stick up for one another by getting the job done.

 

Not saying it was necessarily done in the best way but those two things were a result.

[Damen]

I don't know if he's lost the team, but he's lost me. Not that that's important.

[Jake]

I don't know if he's lost the team, but he's lost me. Not that that's important.

 

OH NO!