jackie hayes Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 I just wanted to see what the Soxtalk consensus is. At this point, would you like to see Brandon spot start for someone, just as an experiment with BMac and a rest for starter X (take your pick on X)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 If for no other reason, McCarthy would be the Brian Anderson of our pitching staff: might struggle early but taking his lumps now will pay dividends down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 The coaching staff needs to show they are willing to make changes in order to win, because the players aren't showing that they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Our SP looks dead. A start skipped for most of them would be a very welcomed idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 No McCarthy should not get some spot starts, he should be in the rotation permanently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoota Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 10:33 PM) No McCarthy should not get some spot starts, he should be in the rotation permanently. I'm picking up what you're throwing down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Brandon should not "Spot start". Spot starting would hurt whatever rhythm he has developed in the bullpen, it would hurt the bullpen because it would take him a few starts to be able to go beyond 4-5 innings, and it could hurt by throwing off any rhythm that any other starting pitchers might find. If Brandon goes into the rotation, he DOES NOT leave it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoota Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 11:06 PM) Brandon should not "Spot start". Spot starting would hurt whatever rhythm he has developed in the bullpen, it would hurt the bullpen because it would take him a few starts to be able to go beyond 4-5 innings, and it could hurt by throwing off any rhythm that any other starting pitchers might find. If Brandon goes into the rotation, he DOES NOT leave it. Wouldn't piggy backing Vazquez on McCarthy's first 2-3 starts be a good solution to this problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 QUOTE(shoota @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 09:09 PM) Wouldn't piggy backing Vazquez on McCarthy's first 2-3 starts be a good solution to this problem? So what happens the next time Mark Buehrle gives up 8 runs in the first inning and has to be pulled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Why not, at this point could he be much worse that buehrle or javy are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 I am of the mind that Buehrle should have a short stint on the 15 day DL to clear his head and rest his arm and let BMac start for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Could you DFA someone like Gload, and put B-Mac into a 6 man rotation and acquire another reliever like Roberto Hernandez perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo880 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 12:16 AM) Why not, at this point could he be much worse that buehrle or javy are? that's not the point. no one thinks hes gonna get blasted but he has to build his stamina back up and that takes more than one "spot start". I agree, if hes going to be put in the rotation it needs to be for good. Changes need to be made to spark the players and the club. QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 12:37 AM) I am of the mind that Buehrle should have a short stint on the 15 day DL to clear his head and rest his arm and let BMac start for him. this is the first time i can think of in the last 5 years that i have truly lost confidence in buehrle. i hate to say it but i bet he feels the same way. even when he started a couple seasons ago like 2-9 i still couldnt wait for his next start. he claims his arm feels fine but maybe a stint on the dl is what he needs to get himself mentally back to shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoota Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 11:11 PM) So what happens the next time Mark Buehrle gives up 8 runs in the first inning and has to be pulled? In your worst case scenario of a starter only lasting one inning, the Sox concede one game. I think there would be more than a one-win difference between Vazquez's and McCarthy's starts over the final two months of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 04:39 AM) Could you DFA someone like Gload, and put B-Mac into a 6 man rotation and acquire another reliever like Roberto Hernandez perhaps? Why does everyone like these Pirate relievers? Our bullpen is perfectly fine the way it is now, and if we need another reliever, Tracey's the guy -- he can throw all nine innings (if necessary, which it'll probably become if they don't DL Buehrle). Then again, maybe we can help the Pirates out and flip 'em Lance Broadway and Ray Liotta. Can't have enough 'veteran presence', ehh? :rolleye I'll just repost my thoughts w/r/t McCarthy from SSS: Put McCarthy into the rotation, going to a six-man rotation. Cut Gload, and call up Tracey as the longman who will piggyback McCarthy until he can build up his arm strength. I was weary of the idea of putting McCarthy in the bullpen at the beginning of the year. I was told that it was a good move because if anyone was ineffective or hurt, McCarthy could be plugged in. Well, right now we have two starters who I have confidence in, and three wildcards. Start stretching McCarthy out. If it fails, so what? At least we won't be left thinking "what if?" in October, when we're out and both Minny and Detroit are in. [/snip] I also think that if somehow, someway, this team got itself into a position to make the playoffs, you can have three solid starters. Contreras, Garland, and then your idea of a piggyback with Vazquez and Garcia. Will Buehrle turn into his usual self? I dunno... Maybe DIPS is taking back all the supposed "luck" Mark has been pitching with the past couple seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 11:06 PM) Brandon should not "Spot start". Spot starting would hurt whatever rhythm he has developed in the bullpen, it would hurt the bullpen because it would take him a few starts to be able to go beyond 4-5 innings, and it could hurt by throwing off any rhythm that any other starting pitchers might find. If Brandon goes into the rotation, he DOES NOT leave it. Last year in a "spot start" I believe he handled the sawx in Fenway pretty well, this can work...or i'd be satisified with Javy goin 5 and BMac starting the 6th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(MHizzle85 @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 12:03 AM) Last year in a "spot start" I believe he handled the sawx in Fenway pretty well, this can work...or i'd be satisified with Javy goin 5 and BMac starting the 6th Except last year Bmac hadn't been pitching out of the bullpen the entire season. They can't keep dicking this guy around. Either he's in the rotation, or he's not. Edited July 27, 2006 by Jordan4life_2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo880 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 QUOTE(MHizzle85 @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 01:03 AM) Last year in a "spot start" I believe he handled the sawx in Fenway pretty well, this can work...or i'd be satisified with Javy goin 5 and BMac starting the 6th he was never in the bullpen last year so he could handle a start long enough to be effective. If he were to spot startnow he'd be good till he got tired then get shelled. whats the point in that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoota Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 QUOTE(kevo880 @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 12:09 AM) he was never in the bullpen last year so he could handle a start long enough to be effective. If he were to spot startnow he'd be good till he got tired then get shelled. whats the point in that? Since the man BMac would most likely be replacing in the rotation, Javier Vazquez, is a five-inning pitcher, BMac wouldn't have to be stretched out much to be a better option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 QUOTE(shoota @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 11:16 PM) Since the man BMac would most likely be replacing in the rotation, Javier Vazquez, is a five-inning pitcher, BMac wouldn't have to be stretched out much to be a better option. Well Vazquez is one hell of a five inning pitcher, if only he would just be done after his five shutout innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangar18 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 09:44 PM) Our SP looks dead. A start skipped for most of them would be a very welcomed idea. Mark Buehrle to the DISABLED LIST effective IMMEDIATELY. We can pull a northside maneuver and say he strained his ankle or something, but gets him time off to clear his head and heal whatever is ailing him. Keeping MB in the rotation right now guarantees a LOSS, and another game back in the standings. If we want to hit 13 games back, Let Buehrle make the next 5 starts. If we want to stay in this, DL him now, insert McCarthy and revisit this in 2 weeks. If we won those 5 games where Buehrle pitched, guess what? Were only 3 games out and the Tigers would be Sweating Bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoKnows Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 my thought is that KW and Ozzie should put Buehrle on the DL, just to give him some time off. Let Brandon fill in his spot. Tell Mark to just hang out and relax. take a small vacation with the family and rest. When he comes back, do the same for vazquez. In my opinion the time off can't hurt either pitcher right now. They are struggling and something is wrong. Everyone is screaming for Brandon and despite whatever Kenny does, unless it involves moving McCarthy into the rotation, he will be criticized. Let's just see what Brandon can do. All of these games mean something now, so it should be like a playoff type atmosphere from here on in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Did BMac pitch well yesterday? I only saw him give up the single and Hawk ripping him for throwing a change on the first pitch. Is he a victim of our soft toss disease this season or is his fastball popping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoota Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 QUOTE(Jake @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 01:59 AM) Well Vazquez is one hell of a five inning pitcher, if only he would just be done after his five shutout innings. And after 2-3 starts stretching out his arm, McCarthy would likely be the better option in the final two months of the regular season and certainly in the playoffs. I do not want Vazquez starting for us in the playoffs. With runners on base, he's the antithesis of El Duque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phuck the Cubs Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Yes. And put Javier in the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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