Balta1701 Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 So, considering that another American is about to win the Tour de France, and he's about to do so in a way that at least in terms of drama, blows away the coronations of the previous 7 time winner, I think it's about time someone gave Floyd Landis some credit. After botching the first mountain stage in the tour, Landis was down by a whopping 8 minutes. On Thursday, he threw out everything he had, and finished that day down only :30. And after the time trial today, He'll be wearing the Yellow Jersey on the last time trial into Paris. This comeback is nothing short of remarkable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 I gave Floyd Landis credit a long time ago. I thought he was going to win the Tour de France and I wasn't even trying to be a homer by picking him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Yeah that was one of the most remarkable things I've ever seen in sport period. He looked absolutely spent the day before, and it was quite funny, the leaders thought he wouldn't contain it for the whole race, and toward the end when he did they're like "Oh spiff we've got to try and catch up here". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Congrats to Landis for winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Landis deserves major props for that win. He could have easily packed it in after that disastrous mountian stage, but then he turns it around and wins the whole damn thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Phonak: Landis had positivetest after Stage 17 LONDON -- Tour de France champion Floyd Landis tested positive for high levels of testosterone during the race, his Phonak team said Thursday on its Web site. The statement came a day after cycling's world governing body said an unidentified rider had failed a drug test during the Tour. "The Phonak Cycling Team was notified yesterday by the UCI of an unusual level of testosterone/epitestosterone ratio in the test made on Floyd Landis after stage 17 of the Tour de France," Phonak said in a team statement. The International Cycling Union said Wednesday that an unidentified cyclist turned in a positive doping test during the Tour, widening the scandal that gripped this year's race before it began. His name, team and nationality won't be released until the testing process is completed, including the analysis of a backup sample. Landis failed to show up for a one-day race in Denmark on Thursday, a day after missing a scheduled event in the Netherlands. Danish organizers said they had arranged a contract and plane tickets for Landis and Phonak teammates to participate in the Grand Prix Jyske Bank race in Silkeborg, about 150 miles west of Copenhagen. "He was not on the plane," said race organizer Jesper Tikoeb. "We don't know where he is. It's pretty mysterious. We know nothing, really nothing at all." He said his calls to the Phonak team went unanswered. Landis also failed to appear for the Acht van Chaam race in the Netherlands on Wednesday. Dutch news agency ANP quoted his teammate Koos Moerenhout as saying that Landis had pain from his hip problem and had gone to see his doctor in Germany. He plans to have hip replacement surgery this fall to ease pain in the arthritic joint still aching from a 2003 crash during a training ride. "We were told by the other two riders that he couldn't join because he was traveling with team manager [John] Lelangue to his doctor in Germany," event organizer Theo van der Westerlaken said. "That's all we know." Landis did take part in a criterium race Tuesday in Stiphout, Netherlands, winning the event. Cycling Services, which booked teams for both Dutch events, said it has been trying without success to get in contact with Phonak for an explanation. Landis won the Tour de France on Sunday, keeping the title in U.S. hands for the eighth straight year after Lance Armstrong's record seven victories. http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/tdf2006/news/story?id=2531225 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Tested positive for an illegal substance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2006 Author Share Posted July 27, 2006 Belongs in A & J's sports pub? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Why are you asking me? If it does, move it. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbeFroman Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 I'm beginning to think that everyone in cycling is doping... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2006 Author Share Posted July 27, 2006 QUOTE(AbeFroman @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 09:32 AM) I'm beginning to think that everyone in cycling is doping... I'm beginning to think that everyone in sports is doping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?s=...t&p=1230447 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 /Thinks that soxtalk members are starting to lose their child-like innocence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Too good to be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 I won't be so naive as to say I doubt its true - but it very well could be a false positive. If Landis was a user of testosterone it would make sense that the 16 tests he took prior to stage 17 would also have been positive. Pr show elevated levels at least. From the information showing, you don't see that. He's also on a lot of medication for the hip he's getting replaced in the fall.... But this is another sport where I think, although doping isn't dangerous, I don't think its any worse that any of the other medical training regimens that cyclists go through in preparation from the Tour De France. Testosterone might give someone a little jump in a stage, but to say its responsible for an 8 minute jump in the overall standings three weeks into the tour is giving the drug a lot more credit than the athletes who maintain similar paces the whole time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 28, 2006 Author Share Posted July 28, 2006 QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 09:29 PM) I won't be so naive as to say I doubt its true - but it very well could be a false positive. If Landis was a user of testosterone it would make sense that the 16 tests he took prior to stage 17 would also have been positive. Pr show elevated levels at least. From the information showing, you don't see that. He's also on a lot of medication for the hip he's getting replaced in the fall.... But this is another sport where I think, although doping isn't dangerous, I don't think its any worse that any of the other medical training regimens that cyclists go through in preparation from the Tour De France. Testosterone might give someone a little jump in a stage, but to say its responsible for an 8 minute jump in the overall standings three weeks into the tour is giving the drug a lot more credit than the athletes who maintain similar paces the whole time. Well, you're in luck, there's a way to check to see if it's a false positive. Landis gave 2 samples during the stage 17 test, an A sample and a B sample. The A sample is the one that has given the positive result. The B Sample will not be back for a couple of days. Also, I don't think that anything he would be taking for a hip replacement would be enough to screw up the testosterone/epitestosterone ratio. Maybe so, but as a professional athlete, he should have documentation of everything he's taken, such that he can come forward immediately and say "This is everything I'm taking and I believe this product is the culprit." You'll note that he didn't do that today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 The thing is - his testosterone levels were actually low. It's just that his epitestosterone levels were incredibly low, which made his T to E ratio almost 11 to 1, which some say can be explained by the cortizone shots he was taking. I honestly don't know what can lower epitestosterone, but I'm told that cortizone blocks epitestosterone production. It seems that if his testosterone levels were actually low relative to the typical man, he was at a disadvantage even though the ratio was off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 I believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 I've said it before on here. One of my friend's has a brother who is a trainer that has worked with a lot of these cyclists. He says that absolutely all of them are on some kind of drug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 QUOTE(Jake @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 02:33 AM) The thing is - his testosterone levels were actually low. It's just that his epitestosterone levels were incredibly low, which made his T to E ratio almost 11 to 1, which some say can be explained by the cortizone shots he was taking. I honestly don't know what can lower epitestosterone, but I'm told that cortizone blocks epitestosterone production. It seems that if his testosterone levels were actually low relative to the typical man, he was at a disadvantage even though the ratio was off. An AP article claims that's already been ruled out. And Landis' latest claim -- I'm just a high testosterone guy! -- sounds weak. His words: I will procede to under go all these tests … to accredit that the levels that I've had during the Tour and all my career are natural and produced by my own organism. (Link.) He's been this way his whole career? Then why is this the first test to show it? That's the really odd part -- Whichever story's right, why didn't it show up earlier? I haven't heard any good theories on that either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Can they have just 1 race where someone is not failing a drug test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 It has been confirmed that is was an artificial testostarone source in his blood. FWIW. His second sample is set to come back Saturday to confirm everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 09:32 AM) It has been confirmed that is was an artificial testostarone source in his blood. FWIW. His second sample is set to come back Saturday to confirm everything. Yeah, hes done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 2, 2006 Author Share Posted August 2, 2006 Remind me never to get excited over anything ever again. Although, this does raise my level of confidence for the things Lance did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 You know what's great? The French press kinda fell over themselves in love with Landis despite themselves. The story was just so good and the fact that he was cycling with a degenerative hip that needs replaced.... They hate Armstrong - partially because he kinda fundamentally changed the sport - and he never tested positive for anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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