7/28/2006 White Sox v. Orioles

[fathom]

We better not see Pods ph over Mackowiak.

[BigSqwert]

We better not see Pods ph over Mackowiak.

We will. He will most likely K.

[Chisoxfn]

The White Sox have only won 5 games this season scoring 3 or less runs.

I'm sure some of that has to do with our pitching not being very good, while other parts have to do with our lack of being able to find creative ways to score.

[Dick Allen]

Jim "Bella" Fregosi is scouting the game tonight.

[Guest JimH]

It's a little bit different leaving out a starter to work around trouble when they've faced a lineup three times around and have thrown nearly 100 pitches.

 

And if the starter has around 100 pitches and are doing ok it probably shows they know how to adjust to the hitters and/or have the ability to get them out.

 

What it comes down to is this, how is the pitcher throwing, does he have control and command? Is he making the proper adjustments to hitters? When they sit on fastballs in certain counts, are they able to throw an offspeed pitch for strikes?

 

My point is, it's nowhere near as black and white as this board seems to think it is. But that's ok, to each their own.

[BigSqwert]

Granted a miniscule sample size but I'm digging MacDougal.

[Dick Allen]

Hawk hired Fregosi to manage.

[Reddy]

WTF THIS IS EXACTLY MY POINT?

 

i think ozzie has a minimum of 4 pitchers per game

[Butter Parque]

If that was truly the case than Ozzie should resign because it would make him hopeless as a manager.

 

Note: I don't see that being the case, but i'm just responding to the idea that Ozzie doesn't think he can do anything to help. Of course he can, doing nothing could be doing something if he feels he's been getting in there way. But in this case it isn't the answer, he's been doing too much of nothing as of late and now he needs to start being creative with the baserunners.

 

I completely agree with you, but something is up. You can't just sit there and watch a team play absolutely pathetic for weeks and do absolutely nothing unless there's more to it. I know this team is trying, but it sure as hell doesn't look like it. It doesn't take much to realize you have to have a level swing and go with the pitch. it doesn't take much to realize you have to pitch inside to be effective. So why isn't it being done, it;s been long enough to realize these problems yet everynight we see the same thing from the same people.

 

At the beginning of the season ozzie was managing his ass off, I'm not talking about June, I'm talking about April and early may when our offense didn't seem so one-dimensional and flawed. We were using hit-and runs, we were trying to steal bases, were were taking the extra base, we were going to opposite field, we were a real offensive team, part of the reason why we didn't receive our first shutout until May 31st. Something happen since then to ozzie that has made him stop being a manager and turn into a spectator from the dugout.

Edited July 29, 2006 by Butter Parque

[Jimbo's Drinker]

look at what additions can do to the team....help them

 

macdougal is our only pick up...yikes

 

Jim "Bella" Fregosi is scouting the game tonight.

 

 

hmmm i wonder who he wants...probably O's bullpen guys.

[Reddy]

I completely agree with you, but something is up. You can't just sit there and watch a team play absolutely pathetic for weeks and do absolutely nothing unless there's more to it. I know this team is trying, but it sure as hell doesn't look like it. It doesn't take much to realize you have to have a level swing and go with the pitch. it doesn't take much to realize you have to pitch inside to be effective. So why isn't it being done, it;s been long enough to realize these problems yet everynight we see the same thing from the same people.

 

At the beginning of the season ozzie was managing his ass off, I'm not talking about June, I'm talking about April and early may when our offense didn't seem so one-dimensional and flawed. We were using hit-and runs, we were trying to steal bases, were were taking the extra base, we were going to opposite field, were a real offensive team, part of the reason why we didn't recieve our first shutout until May 31st. Something happen since then to ozzie that has made him stop being a manager and turn into a spectator from the dugout.

 

sensitivity training

[Gregory Pratt]

look at what additions can do to the team....help them

 

macdougal is our only pick up...yikes

hmmm i wonder who he wants...probably O's bullpen guys.

 

Don't forget Alomar!

[Dick Allen]

I'm sure some of that has to do with our pitching not being very good, while other parts have to do with our lack of being able to find creative ways to score.

I think its the pitching. Last year they won a lot of low scoring games. It really is what separated 2005 from recent seasons. It wasn't that the offense was more consistent, it was that they were able to win a lot more often when they didn't score much.

[BigSqwert]

Tha blonde was cute. Seems fiesty.

[Guest JimH]

Of course, there's situations where it's obvious you should bring a lefty in (like having Thornton face Blalock, which was a good job by Ozzie).

 

And having MacDuugal come in to face Mora, Tejada, Conine.

 

It's very possible that the bullpen is finally set up to use it effectively, without having to juggle and work around people, like he had to do with Politte and a few others at times.

[Dick Allen]

We will. He will most likely K.

Looking.

[fathom]

And if the starter has around 100 pitches and are doing ok it probably shows they know how to adjust to the hitters and/or have the ability to get them out.

 

What it comes down to is this, how is the pitcher throwing, does he have control and command? Is he making the proper adjustments to hitters? When they sit on fastballs in certain counts, are they able to throw an offspeed pitch for strikes?

 

My point is, it's nowhere near as black and white as this board seems to think it is. But that's ok, to each their own.

 

I think you also have to know your pitcher. Guys like Contreras and Garland, as they get tired, can still throw their sinker (a lot of people think that your sinker gets better the more tired you are). However, people like Garcia and Vazquez, who throw a lot more offspeed pitches, have their curves flatten out as they get deeper into games.

 

The issue I have with Ozzie is that he's managing his pitching staff this season like he did last year. Of course, the problem with that is that these guys aren't as effective as the pitchers last year. It's hard for Ozzie, and he's been very cautious this season with his decision making. I really feel like he's not being himself right now, and that's hurting the team. I agree with you though...if these players don't execute better than they have, we're going to end up 10 games out of the WC standings.

[klaus kinski]

The team just looks beaten there is no life

[MHizzle85]

Well, here we go...can we pull one out of our behinds?

[BigSqwert]

The team just looks beaten there is no life

No. They're just distracted from all the trade rumors. After Monday they will look sharp again. Just ask Hawk.

[winninguglyin83]

does Anderson hit or does Mack hit for him against the righty?

[Jimbo's Drinker]

Well, here we go...can we pull one out of our behinds?

 

 

no chance in hell

[Dick Allen]

The team just looks beaten there is no life

All teams do when they aren't scoring runs.

[iguchi=dank]

1 person has to get on. and we take our luck with Jimbo

[fathom]

Here's one more thought I've had....I get very annoyed with Hawk saying how this team hasn't hit their stride. Am I crazy, or did we have like 6 hitters swinging the bats well above their expected contribution level for about 2 months this season? In my mind, your team is on a pretty good run if you can get that type of production.