jackie hayes Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 03:04 PM) wouldn't it take awhile to stretch out Brandon to become a starter? Usually, yes. But I think there's been a change in philosophy within the organization, after Rauch's troubles. True, Randy Johnson is very tall. But that doesn't, by itself, translate into success. Mike Hampton manages. I believe the new strategy is, rightly, to let the pitcher throw at his normal height. They've given up their old rack(et) -- so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 02:32 PM) Gordon Edes: "The Sox this week offered center fielder Coco Crisp to the White Sox for left-handed All-Star Mark Buehrle, perhaps hoping that Buehrle's recent struggles might persuade White Sox GM Kenny Williams to move him. But the White Sox turned the deal down." *** Podsednik and a prospect? When you get a chance pass the crack pipe. This makes sense. I thought Theo lost his mind if he wanted Vazquez or Garcia for Crisp, or a minor leaguer, or middle reliever. I'm sure he knew there was no chance KW would say yes, but I guess he figured he might as well give it a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 03:32 PM) Gordon Edes: "The Sox this week offered center fielder Coco Crisp to the White Sox for left-handed All-Star Mark Buehrle, perhaps hoping that Buehrle's recent struggles might persuade White Sox GM Kenny Williams to move him. But the White Sox turned the deal down." *** Podsednik and a prospect? When you get a chance pass the crack pipe. With that offer, I think you should ask Epstein before you ask us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 02:32 PM) Gordon Edes: "The Sox this week offered center fielder Coco Crisp to the White Sox for left-handed All-Star Mark Buehrle, perhaps hoping that Buehrle's recent struggles might persuade White Sox GM Kenny Williams to move him. But the White Sox turned the deal down." *** Podsednik and a prospect? When you get a chance pass the crack pipe. Ahaha. Ya Pods + Spect for Crisp = crack pipe, but Buehrle for Crisp = sane? Edited July 29, 2006 by WHarris1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This makes sense. I thought Theo lost his mind if he wanted Vazquez or Garcia for Crisp, or a minor leaguer, or middle reliever. I'm sure he knew there was no chance KW would say yes, but I guess he figured he might as well give it a shot. Precisely. It's worth taking a shot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 02:38 PM) Precisely. It's worth taking a shot on. cept you and theo obviously forgot the part where KW is not a moron... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 QUOTE(Reddy @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> cept you and theo obviously forgot the part where KW is not a moron... Not necessarily a moron, but is the general manager of a desperate team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 02:43 PM) Not necessarily a moron, but is the general manager of a desperate team. I wouldn't go as far as saying this is a desperate team either. Sure this team needs some help but he's not going to pull a move off that will end up hurting the Sox. Edited July 29, 2006 by WilliamTell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 What a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I wouldn't go as far as saying this is a desperate team either. Sure this team needs some help but he's not going to pull a move off that will end up hurting the Sox, not that this deal would. He's sitting "no," there is no reason not to propose this deal even if the chance of the White Sox accepting it is slim and none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 07:50 PM) He's sitting "no," there is no reason not to propose this deal even if the chance of the White Sox accepting it is slim and none. There was no slim in the deal it was all none. But I guess no hurt in asking...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Buster Olney did not say it was a starting pitcher, for all we know they called about Cotts, Thornton, MacDougal, Jenks or McCarthy. It is being reported as a "starting pitcher". From ESPN Insider: I wish I knew all the details of what the Red Sox are planning, all the tentacles, because the bits and pieces are fascinating. They offered center fielder Coco Crisp to the White Sox for a starting pitcher -- I don't know which Chicago starter was involved -- and have talked about second baseman Mark Loretta with more than one team. The latter deal makes some sense, because they have young second baseman Dustin Pedroia in the minors ready for promotion. Michael Silverman is hearing something along the same lines about Crisp, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 10:52 PM) It is being reported as a "starting pitcher". From ESPN Insider: It's believed to be Mark Buehrle, now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toasty Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 11:33 PM) It's believed to be Mark Buehrle, now. Indeed, buster just said on bbtn that the red sox offered crisp for buehrle and sox said HECK NO... well ok they said no, i added the rest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 02:50 PM) He's sitting "no," there is no reason not to propose this deal even if the chance of the White Sox accepting it is slim and none. So there is no reason for the White Sox not to counter offer Ross Gload for Crisp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 07:32 PM) Gordon Edes: "The Sox this week offered center fielder Coco Crisp to the White Sox for left-handed All-Star Mark Buehrle, perhaps hoping that Buehrle's recent struggles might persuade White Sox GM Kenny Williams to move him. But the White Sox turned the deal down." *** Podsednik and a prospect? When you get a chance pass the crack pipe. What I dont understand its ok to "pass the crack pipe" to ask for Buehrle.... but not ok when we offer Pods and a prospect. If you ask me which of the 2 are most likely to happen Id say the 2nd one 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 01:44 AM) What I dont understand its ok to "pass the crack pipe" to ask for Buehrle.... but not ok when we offer Pods and a prospect. If you ask me which of the 2 are most likely to happen Id say the 2nd one 100%. My post said basically the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 04:44 PM) What I dont understand its ok to "pass the crack pipe" to ask for Buehrle.... but not ok when we offer Pods and a prospect. If you ask me which of the 2 are most likely to happen Id say the 2nd one 100%. Especially when you look at their splits; Crisp - .275/.328/.396 Pods - .271/.347/.394 But I'm on crack BABY!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korntownballa Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 01:37 AM) So there is no reason for the White Sox not to counter offer Ross Gload for Crisp. i wouldn't even trade gload for crisp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(korntownballa @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 02:55 AM) i wouldn't even trade gload for crisp. ummmmm ... ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 02:43 PM) Not necessarily a moron, but is the general manager of a desperate team. Desperate how? Trading an all star pitcher, and one of the cornerstones of our rotation for years, for an ok player? We should offer Pods for Zito, thats a fair trade as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 02:32 PM) Gordon Edes: "The Sox this week offered center fielder Coco Crisp to the White Sox for left-handed All-Star Mark Buehrle, perhaps hoping that Buehrle's recent struggles might persuade White Sox GM Kenny Williams to move him. But the White Sox turned the deal down." I wonder how hard it was for KW not to laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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