JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 This could be another one of those seemingly harmless KW moves that turns out to be huge for the Sox. Last night this guy looked absolutely filthy and as long as he stays healthy he just upgraded our bullpen from pretty good to very good. He seems to provide the missing piece in the bullpen (right handed setup man) that the sox so desperately needed. I feel much better now than before if our starter were to only pitch 6 innings. 7th-mccarthy/thornton/cotts 8th-mcdougal 9th-jenks that looks pretty formidable to me. what do you all think? now if we could somehow add a healthy hermie back into the mix to replace riske (which i realize more than likely is not going to happen), I would put the sox pen up against just about anybody in the bigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 It seemed for the longest time other teams would bring in set up guys from the bullpen that threw 96-97, whereas our guys would be around 93. Now we have 3 guys that can go 97+. What started as a weakness at the start of the year is now one of our biggest strengths. Props to KW. Now all we have to do is get to the bullpen with a lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 29, 2006 Author Share Posted July 29, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(marsh @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 08:54 AM) It seemed for the longest time other teams would bring in set up guys from the bullpen that threw 96-97, whereas our guys would be around 93. Now we have 3 guys that can go 97+. What started as a weakness at the start of the year is now one of our biggest strengths. Props to KW. Now all we have to do is get to the bullpen with a lead. i agree. i am starting to regain that 2005 feeling about our bullpen that has been missing for the majority of the 06 season. last year i felt like any time we had a lead going into the 7th inning of the game it was over because the back end of the bullpen was so damn good. i know not many like the comparisons of this team to lasts but take a look at this: '05-'06 marte = thornton polite = mcdougal hermanson = mccarthy vizciano = riske KW has lost major components to last years pen and replaced them with as good if not better guys. that truly is remarkable Edited July 29, 2006 by JUSTgottaBELIEVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 The question on MacDougall is always going to be on his health not his stuff. If he can stay healthy, KW made a very good trade here. If he doesn't, Tyler Lumsden could make us regret it. Welcome to Soxtalk BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 29, 2006 Author Share Posted July 29, 2006 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 09:08 AM) The question on MacDougall is always going to be on his health not his stuff. If he can stay healthy, KW made a very good trade here. If he doesn't, Tyler Lumsden could make us regret it. Welcome to Soxtalk BTW. thanks been reading topics on here for some time now but always been too lazy to register, until now i suppose and how the hell do i make this look like a normal thread? obviously, i didnt set this thing up right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 marte = thornton polite = mcdougal hermanson = mccarthy vizciano = riske You know, I hate it when people stretch out comparisons that don't work when looked at closely. McCarthy has never served as closer, and never will. I'm sure the rest of those comparisons, too, will fade when looked at closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 09:23 AM) You know, I hate it when people stretch out comparisons that don't work when looked at closely. McCarthy has never served as closer, and never will. I'm sure the rest of those comparisons, too, will fade when looked at closer. McCarthy is much more likely the replacement for Jizcan than for Hermey... Put riske in there w/ politte and macD w/ Hermey and you'd be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 I'd say: '05 - '06 Marte - Cotts Cotts - Thornton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 anyone else notice McDugals fast ball moves 6 six different ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 3 different spellings of his name in this tread, and not one is right. It's MacDougal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 10:15 AM) 3 different spellings of his name in this tread, and not one is right. It's MacDougal. That is really funny stufff haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 QUOTE(Reddy @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 09:34 AM) McCarthy is much more likely the replacement for Jizcan than for Hermey... Put riske in there w/ politte and macD w/ Hermey and you'd be right. Riske is nowhere near as good as Politte was last year. How about the 2006 bullpen = the 2006 bullpen = an excellent bullpen. I'd say: '05 - '06 Marte - Cotts Cotts - Thornton I'm not a big fan, but, yeah, I trust Thornton in Cotts' role last year. QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 10:15 AM) 3 different spellings of his name in this tread, and not one is right. It's MacDougal. Surely you jest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 10:15 AM) 3 different spellings of his name in this tread, and not one is right. It's MacDougal. you mean it's not micdoogle? damn now i feel a little awkward.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHolyBovine Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 09:08 AM) If he doesn't, Tyler Lumsden could make us regret it. With TL's K/BB ratio, he's not going to make us regret anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 09:56 AM) I'd say: '05 - '06 Marte - Cotts Cotts - Thornton I don't know the exact numbers but I'm almost positive that the Marte-Cotts comparison ain't really that close. I think Neal has allowed about 30 percent of inherited runners to score this year, while Damaso allowed a ton more than that last season. EDIT: And by numbers I just mean the inherited runners to score since that is what Damaso did so poorly with last season. Edited July 29, 2006 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 11:47 AM) I don't know the exact numbers but I'm almost positive that the Marte-Cotts comparison ain't really that close. I think Neal has allowed about 30 percent of inherited runners to score this year, while Damaso allowed a ton more than that last season. EDIT: And by numbers I just mean the inherited runners to score since that is what Damaso did so poorly with last season. I pretty much mean that Thornton is the go-to lefty now. The guy we want out there in a pressure situation, the one I trust more. Didn't mean that Cotts is anywhere near as bad as Marte was last year. I pointed out about a month ago that it seems like Ozzie trusts Thornton more than Cotts, and I stick by that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 12:03 PM) I pretty much mean that Thornton is the go-to lefty now. The guy we want out there in a pressure situation, the one I trust more. Didn't mean that Cotts is anywhere near as bad as Marte was last year. I pointed out about a month ago that it seems like Ozzie trusts Thornton more than Cotts, and I stick by that. Fair enough and I'll agree. Just wanted to throw it out there that Neal is no where near as bad as Damaso was last year. Last season we all knew what was happening when Dam came into the game(walk, hbp, hit). Neal I still have a ton of faith in, though he's been a bit off as of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 QUOTE(Reddy @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 03:23 PM) you mean it's not micdoogle? damn now i feel a little awkward.... After a few drinks it doesn't really matter anymore... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 Kenny has done an excellent job rebuilding this bullpen. We've come a long way since spring training when we had question marks all over the place. Kenny turned Joe Borchard and Javier Lopez, two guys who had absolutely no future with the Sox, into Matt Thornton and David Riske. Then he nets us a guy with electric stuff (although we had to pay a price) in MacDougal, who should flourish as a set-up man as long as he's healthy, of course. Now if only our damn starters would cooperate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(TheHolyBovine @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 10:54 AM) With TL's K/BB ratio, he's not going to make us regret anything. From what Jason's been saying, the Sox organization has wanted him to focus on getting groundballs, not striking guys out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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