YASNY Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 From Phil Rogers' column today There was talk over the weekend about conversations between the White Sox and A's--possibly Javier Vazquez or Freddy Garcia and prospects for Barry Zito. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 I think we should do that deal if it was possible and we didn't drain our minor league talent. I think it is doubtful though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonik22 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 They would probably ask for Sweeney or Owens because they don't really like Jay Payton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 Please yes, we need starting pitching in the worst way possible.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 If it Owens and Garcia... Deal send Zito now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(Sonik22 @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 12:02 PM) They would probably ask for Sweeney or Owens because they don't really like Jay Payton. Nobody wants Owens. I would suspect his value in trade is almost nothing. More of a toss-in than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 In order to get Zito, I'm sure guys like Fields and Broadway were the prospects involved. You're not getting Zito for Garcia and Owens, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 12:17 PM) In order to get Zito, I'm sure guys like Fields and Broadway were the prospects involved. You're not getting Zito for Garcia and Owens, etc. Yup, and it would be a rental. Zito's agent is Boras, and he will get top dollar on the FA market. So we would be taking on salary as well if we wanted to keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnhillegas Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 11:16 AM) Nobody wants Owens. I would suspect his value in trade is almost nothing. More of a toss-in than anything else. I disagree, his value is nowhere near last year, but his average is climbing, and i cant imagine that he would be a totally worthless player in 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(shawnhillegas @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 12:21 PM) I disagree, his value is nowhere near last year, but his average is climbing, and i cant imagine that he would be a totally worthless player in 2 years. I find it hard to believe that Owens would be a vital part of this, or any other trade. He's not nearly as good as some people seem to think he is. I guess he was almost the starting CF and ROY for us, though. I can't believe someone actually thought that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 05:25 PM) I find it hard to believe that Owens would be a vital part of this, or any other trade. He's not nearly as good as some people seem to think he is. I guess he was almost the starting CF and ROY for us, though. I can't believe someone actually thought that. Anyone who's described as a lesser hitting Willie Harris = superstar in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 (edited) I don't see Beane being interested in Owens, he doesn't have a high on-base percentage, and he's only hitting .266 in AAA. His 35 stolen bases may look appealing to some teams, but not to Beane. If we could end up getting Zito with only dealing either Broadway or Fields (not both) then throwing in a prospect in low-A I'd be all for it. (Plus Garcia or Vazquez) Edited July 30, 2006 by CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 12:27 PM) Anyone who's described as a lesser hitting Willie Harris = superstar in my book. It's just the way our prospects are overrated here. Every time some scrub prospect is traded away, there's a bunch of people talking about how it's going to bite us in the ass. It seems to me that the prospects we trade away usually amount to nothing special. Who is the last White Sox prospect that was traded away that turned out to be a really good player? Owens, like most Sox propsects, will be lucky to be someone's 4th OFer one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 12:32 PM) It's just the way our prospects are overrated here. Every time some scrub prospect is traded away, there's a bunch of people talking about how it's going to bite us in the ass. It seems to me that the prospects we trade away usually amount to nothing special. Who is the last White Sox prospect that was traded away that turned out to be a really good player? Owens, like most Sox propsects, will be lucky to be someone's 4th OFer one day. Jeremy Reed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 One of our starters plus a top prospect for someone whose going to leave at the end of the year is too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 (edited) I'd do Vazquez and Sweeney in a heartbeat for Zito. And it wouldn't surprise me at all if Beane is interested in Vaz. Edited July 30, 2006 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 DO IT!!! As far as I'm concerned, I would include anyone in this deal as long as it's not McCarthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(Whitewashed in @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 12:59 PM) One of our starters plus a top prospect for someone whose going to leave at the end of the year is too much. Why? Our starters suck (at least the ones rumored to be involved in this deal). Zito would help us much more than the garbage of Garcia/Vazquez. Zito pitches well for us hopefully for the rest of the year, maybe we win it all again, he leaves for free agency, and we plug McCarthy into his rotation spot next year and we still have 5 starters. A prospect is worthless to our team this year, so who gives a spiff. Like I've said before, it's not like any of the prospects we trade away end up biting us in the ass later. If it happens this one time, then OH NOES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 After this three game set in Baltimore, I can't honestly say that I think the Sox will make the playoffs with this current starting rotation. I think Kenny Williams has to be willing to overpay (obviously with a limit) to get this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 This deal makes totall sense for the Sox. We get rid of Javy and his contract. Zito comes here with his contract expirering. Meaning BMac would then have an open slot for 2007. If this rumor is true. GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!! PLEASE GOD GOD FOR IT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(BobDylan @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 03:57 PM) After this three game set in Baltimore, I can't honestly say that I think the Sox will make the playoffs with this current starting rotation. I think Kenny Williams has to be willing to overpay (obviously with a limit) to get this guy. You can't do it. Not when Zito is a free agent at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 04:01 PM) You can't do it. Not when Zito is a free agent at the end of the season. So we let the season go down the toilet because we're not willing to part with a couple of prospects? How many chances are we going to get with this team? The only way I see Vazquez heading to Oakland is if we're prepared to pick up a significant chunk of his contract. Small market A's aren't going to want a $12M bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 04:01 PM) You can't do it. Not when Zito is a free agent at the end of the season. Who cares? You get rid of one of Vaz/Garcia and free up a boat load of cash. Rent Zito and let him go at the end of the year and insert Mac. It makes perfect fishing sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 04:00 PM) This deal makes totall sense for the Sox. We get rid of Javy and his contract. Zito comes here with his contract expirering. Meaning BMac would then have an open slot for 2007. If this rumor is true. GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!! PLEASE If Beane would agree, do it in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 QUOTE(BobDylan @ Jul 30, 2006 -> 04:10 PM) Who cares? You get rid of one of Vaz/Garcia and free up a boat load of cash. Rent Zito and let him go at the end of the year and insert Mac. It makes perfect fishing sense. You would not be freeing up any money, the Sox would have to pick up most all of either's contract. Plus you're more than likely sending Fields/McCarthy to Oakland, you have to top a package that is centered around Milledge and basically that's the only way you're going to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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