Jermaine Dye's defensive abilities.

[Milkman delivers]

hes got a great Arm, so id rather keep him in RF

 

I don't mean I'd move him now. I'm just saying I think he's more suited to LF because of his speed.

[whitesoxfan101]

Jermaine Dye has a $6M team option next year, he currently has a 1.030 OPS. Anyone who doesn't think Jermaine Dye will be on this team next season is dead wrong.

 

If your OPS is over 1.000 with .320/40+/100+ and your due 6 million dollars next season, you can pretty much pick your nose and eat it rather than play defense and your still underpaid.

[fathom]

you can pretty much pick your nose and eat it rather than play defense and your still underpaid.

 

Sounds like our LF play this season.

[Guest JimH]

Sounds like our LF play this season.

 

Are you trying to beat your own previously established world record for "most posts bashing Podsednik in one day" ?

 

I mean, it's not as if your opinion on that subject isn't abundantly clear by now.

[fathom]

Are you trying to beat your own previously established world record for "most posts bashing Podsednik in one day" ?

 

I mean, it's not as if your opinion on that subject isn't abundantly clear by now.

 

I just thought it was funny because someone over the wknd compared Pods defense to that of a kid picking their nose out there. And FWIW, that comment was just as much a shot at Ozuna as it was Pods. I love Ozuna's hustle, but he shouldn't be playing in the outfield in the majors unless it's during batting practice.

Edited August 1, 2006 by fathom

[The Ginger Kid]

He's lost a step but always lays out for a ball whenever he has to. I still cringe watching that catch in Anaheim where it looked like he broke his ribs on the top of the short wall.

 

JD's a gamer.

[fathom]

He's lost a step but always lays out for a ball whenever he has to. I still cringe watching that catch in Anaheim where it looked like he broke his ribs on the top of the short wall.

 

JD's a gamer.

 

He's been fantastic in his season and a half with the Sox going back on the ball. He doesn't shy away from the fence (something Ordonez struggled with).

[LVSoxFan]

I agree that he's faster than people think; because he has such long legs, it looks like he's running slower than he is.

 

And I also agree he doesn't shy away from the fence. I really have on qualms about RF right now.

[Guest JimH]

I just thought it was funny because someone over the wknd compared Pods defense to that of a kid picking their nose out there. And FWIW, that comment was just as much a shot at Ozuna as it was Pods. I love Ozuna's hustle, but he shouldn't be playing in the outfield in the majors unless it's during batting practice.

 

Agree on Ozuna but either way, your position on the issue is abundantly clear wouldn't you say?

[fathom]

Agree on Ozuna but either way, your position on the issue is abundantly clear wouldn't you say?

 

I would hope so by now.

 

In all honesty, I would love for Pods to shut me, and the other haters that are getting on him, up for the rest of the season.

[SadChiSoxFanOptimist]

Why is that?

 

Here's his deal:

 

White Sox | Dye Signs

Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:02:34 -0800

 

Dye will be paid $4 million in 2005 and $5 million in 2006 with the club holding an option for 2007 at $6 million (with a buyout of $1.15 million).

 

Simple... After this bummer year of homer ball, Kenny will look to improve this team, including getting younger and faster. Although JD hasn't lost much and he's relatively inexpensive, he is on the decline. I'm guessing that the Sox will see his contract as an opportunity to change the profile of this team.

[fathom]

Here's his deal:

 

White Sox | Dye Signs

Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:02:34 -0800

 

Dye will be paid $4 million in 2005 and $5 million in 2006 with the club holding an option for 2007 at $6 million (with a buyout of $1.15 million).

 

Simple... After this bummer year of homer ball, Kenny will look to improve this team, including getting younger and faster. Although JD hasn't lost much and he's relatively inexpensive, he is on the decline. I'm guessing that the Sox will see his contract as an opportunity to change the profile of this team.

 

If this is serious, I recommend you just stop watching baseball. That's as polite as I can say that.

[Milkman delivers]

Here's his deal:

 

White Sox | Dye Signs

Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:02:34 -0800

 

Dye will be paid $4 million in 2005 and $5 million in 2006 with the club holding an option for 2007 at $6 million (with a buyout of $1.15 million).

 

Simple... After this bummer year of homer ball, Kenny will look to improve this team, including getting younger and faster. Although JD hasn't lost much and he's relatively inexpensive, he is on the decline. I'm guessing that the Sox will see his contract as an opportunity to change the profile of this team.

 

You are so very, very wrong.

 

Barring some terrible injury or freak ocurrence, I would bet my life on the fact that Dye's option is picked up.

[whitesoxfan101]

Here's his deal:

 

White Sox | Dye Signs

Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:02:34 -0800

 

Dye will be paid $4 million in 2005 and $5 million in 2006 with the club holding an option for 2007 at $6 million (with a buyout of $1.15 million).

 

Simple... After this bummer year of homer ball, Kenny will look to improve this team, including getting younger and faster. Although JD hasn't lost much and he's relatively inexpensive, he is on the decline. I'm guessing that the Sox will see his contract as an opportunity to change the profile of this team.

 

With all do respect.....you should become a Cubs fan. Your knowledge of the game would fit better with that fanbase.

[SadChiSoxFanOptimist]

With all due respect...BITE ME.

 

Soxfan 101 and fellow critics: I've been a Sox fan since the early 60's. Like all you guys, I've.seen alot of baseball. I may have a different perspective than you and a posting manner that challenges the conventional wisdom of the blindly-loyal, self righteous Sox fans who may not be objective enough see a players strengths, weaknesses and impact on the collective capabily of the team. If you can't handle that and need to challenge my team affiliation or mental health, that's your problem, not mine.

 

Frankly, I think a little diverse opinion makes for a more interesting discussion.

[kapkomet]

With all due respect...BITE ME.

 

Soxfan 101 and fellow critics: I've been a Sox fan since the early 60's. Like all you guys, I've.seen alot of baseball. I may have a different perspective than you and a posting manner that challenges the conventional wisdom of the blindly-loyal, self righteous Sox fans who may not be objective enough see a players strengths, weaknesses and impact on the collective capabily of the team. If you can't handle that and need to challenge my team affiliation or mental health, that's your problem, not mine.

 

Frankly, I think a little diverse opinion makes for a more interesting discussion.

There's no way Dye gets optioned out of here. No way. He's been MUCH more clutch then our so-called clutch hitters. You NEVER let a 1.000+ OPS guy go, for $6.0M. N-E-V-E-R. Jermaine Dye is NOT the problem, if you're trying to assign the blame here.

[fathom]

With all due respect...BITE ME.

 

Soxfan 101 and fellow critics: I've been a Sox fan since the early 60's. Like all you guys, I've.seen alot of baseball. I may have a different perspective than you and a posting manner that challenges the conventional wisdom of the blindly-loyal, self righteous Sox fans who may not be objective enough see a players strengths, weaknesses and impact on the collective capabily of the team. If you can't handle that and need to challenge my team affiliation or mental health, that's your problem, not mine.

 

Frankly, I think a little diverse opinion makes for a more interesting discussion.

 

This might be the first time that milkman and I were called blindly-loyal, homer Sox fans.

[whitesoxfan101]

With all due respect...BITE ME.

 

Soxfan 101 and fellow critics: I've been a Sox fan since the early 60's. Like all you guys, I've.seen alot of baseball. I may have a different perspective than you and a posting manner that challenges the conventional wisdom of the blindly-loyal, self righteous Sox fans who may not be objective enough see a players strengths, weaknesses and impact on the collective capabily of the team. If you can't handle that and need to challenge my team affiliation or mental health, that's your problem, not mine.

 

Frankly, I think a little diverse opinion makes for a more interesting discussion.

 

There is a big difference between diverse opinions and lacking common sense. And the fact you've been a Sox fan since before my dad was born shows great loyalty, but it doesn't make your opinion any less nonsense.

[SadChiSoxFanOptimist]

This might be the first time that milkman and I were called blindly-loyal, homer Sox fans.

 

Don't forget self-righteous.

 

 

 

There is a big difference between diverse opinions and lacking common sense. And the fact you've been a Sox fan since before my dad was born shows great loyalty, but it doesn't make your opinion any less nonsense.

 

Someday you'll grow up, young man.

[whitesoxfan101]

Don't forget self-righteous.

 

 

Someday you'll grow up, young man.

 

So what makes you dislike Jermaine? His 29 homers, 78 RBI's, 1.000 plus OPS, league leading slugging percentage, slightly above average defense, near .400 on base, cheap price tag, quiet mouth, or World Series MVP award from last year?

 

This teams problem stands 60 feet, 6 inches from the plate every game, not in the batters box itself.

[Milkman delivers]

This might be the first time that milkman and I were called blindly-loyal, homer Sox fans.

 

You beat me to the punch.

[fathom]

Don't forget self-righteous.

 

 

Someday you'll grow up, young man.

 

There's absolutely no reason for name calling, especially when we're supporting a White Sox player.

[SadChiSoxFanOptimist]

So what makes you dislike Jermaine? His 29 homers, 78 RBI's, 1.000 plus OPS, league leading slugging percentage, slightly above average defense, near .400 on base, cheap price tag, quiet mouth, or World Series MVP award from last year?

 

This teams problem stands 60 feet, 6 inches from the plate every game, not in the batters box itself.

 

I don't dislike Jermaine at all! I think he's been a terrific add for the Sox, and almost an even replacement for Maggs as a better team member at a reasonable salary. We both know that JD wasn't the WS MVP last year -- it was Crede and the starters.

 

Jermaine will be 33. I disagree that the's above average OF. He's slowing down, makes some strong plays and butchers others. He's just an average RF'r in a below average OF. As other posters note, he (nor any of the other Sox OFrs that I can recall) haven't thrown out any runners at the plate...Think about how many SOX players have been thrown out! We've seen JDs best days and it's downhill from here. The Sox cannot ignore ANY opportunity to improve OF defense, increase team speed and overall "small ball" offensive execution if we want to remain competitive with the Tigers and Twins in the toughest division in baseball. (Improved pitching will help too... ) We need focus on the team, not just love the players.

 

After 2005 Kenny Williams doesn't have to find cheap players and hope they play beyond their best years. He'll have zero loyalty to past accomplishments and total focus on improving all areas of this team.

Edited August 2, 2006 by SadChiSoxFanOptimist

[kapkomet]

And you're not going to improve RF any more then it is for the money.

Period. If you want an upgrade, look to the other OF spots, or more specifically, LF, not RF. JD ain't going anywhere.

[SadChiSoxFanOptimist]

And you're not going to improve RF any more then it is for the money.

Period. If you want an upgrade, look to the other OF spots, or more specifically, LF, not RF. JD ain't going anywhere.

 

"And you're not going to improve RF any more then it is for the money" Not sure what you're saying here...

Do YOU want an upgrade in team speed, and RF "D" ? Can it get better than JD?

Love your wack job sentiment, btw.

Edited August 2, 2006 by SadChiSoxFanOptimist