VAfan Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Last offseason, one of the three biggest priorties I thought the Sox should have was signing Joe Crede to a contract through his remaining arbitration years plus an additional year. With some uncertainty remaining over his back and having not yet had a monster year at the plate, it seemed to me that, despite having Scott Boras as his agent, that he would have come at a considerable discount off his true abilities. The Sox accomplished the other priorities (resigning Contreras and Garland, our two best starters at the moment), but didn't even approach Crede with an offer. Now I think Crede is proving all the doubters wrong by having the kind of monster offensive year he always should have had. I expect him to get better. The main thing that still holds him back offensively is that he is terrible at taking a walk. (Among ML 3Bs, he is 3rd in slugging, 3rd in HRs, and 4th in RBI, with the second fewest K's.) Anyway, in honor of his great performance yesterday, I thought I would ask where people rank him among the Sox position players. Please consider all phases of the game -- offense and defense -- when ranking him. This would be my ranking of our position players: 1. Dye 2. Thome 3. Konerko 4. Crede And I think within 2 years and certainly 3 years, Crede may well be equal to or ahead of all of three of those guys as they begin to decline with age. This guy is critical to the success of the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan76 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Your list seems to look at offense only. And even then I'd say Thome and Dye are equal. Dye hits for better average but Thome hits for more power. It's sort of a wash. Factoring in defense (and offense), I'd say Crede tops the list. He's one of the most complete players this team has. Iguchi has the potential to be hands down the most complete player, but he hasn't shown that yet. Iguchi has the power, speed, average, and defense. He just hasn't really put them all together into a massive offensive year. Batting 2nd doesn't help though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(VAfan @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 03:05 PM) Last offseason, one of the three biggest priorties I thought the Sox should have was signing Joe Crede to a contract through his remaining arbitration years plus an additional year. With some uncertainty remaining over his back and having not yet had a monster year at the plate, it seemed to me that, despite having Scott Boras as his agent, that he would have come at a considerable discount off his true abilities. The Sox accomplished the other priorities (resigning Contreras and Garland, our two best starters at the moment), but didn't even approach Crede with an offer. Now I think Crede is proving all the doubters wrong by having the kind of monster offensive year he always should have had. I expect him to get better. The main thing that still holds him back offensively is that he is terrible at taking a walk. (Among ML 3Bs, he is 3rd in slugging, 3rd in HRs, and 4th in RBI, with the second fewest K's.) Anyway, in honor of his great performance yesterday, I thought I would ask where people rank him among the Sox position players. Please consider all phases of the game -- offense and defense -- when ranking him. This would be my ranking of our position players: 1. Dye 2. Thome 3. Konerko 4. Crede And I think within 2 years and certainly 3 years, Crede may well be equal to or ahead of all of three of those guys as they begin to decline with age. This guy is critical to the success of the White Sox. My list is a little like this - 1. Pablo 2. Dye 3. Kong 4. Crede 5. Thome (I'm valuing Crede's defense pretty highly.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 As a Complete player, Crede is behind Dye only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonik22 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 1. Iguchi 2. Crede 3. Kong 4. Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 I don't think that Dye is anywhere near as good as he appears. This is probably his career year, you know. He's good, a great value, but I doubt he ever does what he's done this year again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(Sonik22 @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 03:12 PM) 1. Iguchi 2. Crede 3. Kong 4. Dye I don't know about Iguchi in front of those names. Maybe after those four and AJ. His defense is only solid, and his offense while quite adequate is nothing amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Well, I think part of the reason Crede is having such a monster year is because he's yet to sign a contract extension. I know he's said that he won't let Boras dictate whether he stays or goes, but he's still a Boras client. Those guys seem to have their best years right before signing a contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonik22 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(Jake @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 04:14 PM) I don't know about Iguchi in front of those names. Maybe after those four and AJ. His defense is only solid, and his offense while quite adequate is nothing amazing. I just think that put together he is most consistant, has good speed, good defensively, and he can hit for a respectable avg. and pretty good power to both fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 04:16 PM) Well, I think part of the reason Crede is having such a monster year is because he's yet to sign a contract extension. I know he's said that he won't let Boras dictate whether he stays or goes, but he's still a Boras client. Those guys seem to have their best years right before signing a contract. Then why didn't he do this last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(Sonik22 @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 03:16 PM) I just think that put together he is most consistant, has good speed, good defensively, and he can hit for a respectable avg. and pretty good power to both fields. It seems he'd better fit the bill a few years ago. He doesn't have many weaknesses, but doesn't excel at much either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 04:17 PM) Then why didn't he do this last season? Well, he had a better season last year than any before that, and now he has Thome in the lineup. That helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 03:17 PM) Then why didn't he do this last season? Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Crede is the best fielder on the team, and one of the best hitters. He is a top notch 3B IMO, and shoudl have a GG by the end of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 04:19 PM) Crede is the best infielder on the team, and one of the best hitters. He is a top notch 3B IMO, and shoudl have a GG by the end of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 04:18 PM) Well, he had a better season last year than any before that, and now he has Thome in the lineup. That helps. His numbers from 03-05 were pretty consistant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 03:18 PM) Well, he had a better season last year than any before that, and now he has Thome in the lineup. That helps. Milkman, ever since you got rid of the Milkman avvie, you seemed to have gotten a new attitude. You seem to have such strong opinions now, but when you had good ol' Herbert in your avvie you just seemed like a good, reliable, unintimidating guy. Now I cower in fear at the sight of your posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 04:19 PM) Crede is the best fielder on the team, and one of the best hitters. He is a top notch 3B IMO, and shoudl have a GG by the end of his career. His only competition for the Gold Glove this year is Mike Lowell, so Crede is basically sitting on a 50/50 chance of winning one this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 but didn't even approach Crede with an offer. Wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 04:20 PM) His numbers from 03-05 were pretty consistant. After looking, it seems he had a better 2003 than 2005. Still, I'm just a little wary of anybody with Boras as their agent. QUOTE(Jake @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 04:22 PM) Milkman, ever since you got rid of the Milkman avvie, you seemed to have gotten a new attitude. You seem to have such strong opinions now, but when you had good ol' Herbert in your avvie you just seemed like a good, reliable, unintimidating guy. Now I cower in fear at the sight of your posts. That a compliment or no? QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 04:22 PM) His only competition for the Gold Glove this year is Mike Lowell, so Crede is basically sitting on a 50/50 chance of winning one this season. And since Mike Lowell is on the Red Sox...we all know the rest of the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 03:23 PM) That a compliment or no? I'm just kidding around, you're a good poster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(Jake @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 04:24 PM) I'm just kidding around, you're a good poster. I'll kill you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 03:25 PM) I'll kill you. No Mr. Milkman, don't kill me. Can I call you Mr. Milkman, sir? Whatever you want me to do I'll do it, master. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 04:16 PM) Well, I think part of the reason Crede is having such a monster year is because he's yet to sign a contract extension. I know he's said that he won't let Boras dictate whether he stays or goes, but he's still a Boras client. Those guys seem to have their best years right before signing a contract. Also the green seats are the reason that Vazquez sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 04:29 PM) Also the green seats are the reason that Vazquez sucks. You don't think Boras clients have a tendency to have career years right before they sign a contract? QUOTE(Jake @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 04:28 PM) No Mr. Milkman, don't kill me. Can I call you Mr. Milkman, sir? Whatever you want me to do I'll do it, master. Mr. Perfect will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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