santo=dorf Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 In the interest of keeping unrelated negative Javy posts in game threads, threads about Ozzie, or trade rumor threads I made this thread for people to vent. He will be pitching against the Blue Jays this Saturday, and he probably won't do too well because he has been crushed by their great hitting team every time he faced them. I still think he'll come along, but not until Ozzie starts using him properly So have at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Can we make this a Freddy and Javy thread. They both suck. They both get too much rope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 This is pointless guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 QUOTE(knightni @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 10:16 PM) This is pointless guys. Boo, no reality in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 I still think he'll come along, but not until Ozzie starts using him properly Are you serious? You are blaming Ozzie for Vaz's mediocrity/spifftiness? My god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 QUOTE(greg775 @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 10:26 PM) Are you serious? You are blaming Ozzie for Vaz's mediocrity/spifftiness? My god. Well if Ozzie figures out that Javy can only go 5 innings that will be using him correctly. Going past 5 innings is dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 QUOTE(greg775 @ Aug 3, 2006 -> 03:26 AM) Are you serious? You are blaming Ozzie for Vaz's mediocrity/spifftiness? My god. No, we're not blaming Ozzie for all of his struggles. However, he could have been managed much differently this year. His numbers after 75 pitches are amazingly bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted August 3, 2006 Author Share Posted August 3, 2006 QUOTE(greg775 @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you serious? You are blaming Ozzie for Vaz's mediocrity/spifftiness? My god. See Ray Charles' comment. His pitches very well BEFORE the 6th. Ozzie completely mishandled that last game, but Javy needs to fight through it. Let's say JAvy is doing fine after 5. When do you pull him? Before the 6th starts? Give him one out at a time and pull him as soon as he gives up a runner? Last time I thought it was so easy. He just got a 4-2 lead, then the first batter of the 6th inning hits a homer. Javy is frustrated, yet you can pull him at that point and have him be the winner of the game, but it was horribly managed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friend of Nordhagen Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Great idea with this thread, and let me chime right in here: Javier Vazquez es bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Javier Vazquez es horrible y debe aprender a cómo echar, ahora. in a language even he can understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 It's KW's fault more than Ozzie's. If he is a five inning guy then implodes he does not belong on a major league roster. If Oz has him to use, he's got to be able to go 6-7. Managers play the guys on the roster. It ain't his fault Vaz has sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 QUOTE(greg775 @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 11:11 PM) It's KW's fault more than Ozzie's. If he is a five inning guy then implodes he does not belong on a major league roster. If Oz has him to use, he's got to be able to go 6-7. Managers play the guys on the roster. It ain't his fault Vaz has sucked. We are trying to win and get into the postseason. If he cant pitch past the 6th without blowing up, then why keep putting him out there. This is not like this is a fluke. His ERA is his for a reason. He has an over 10 ERA past 75 pitches for a reason. So just saying he's got to be able to go 6-7 then trot him out. Hang up the season then, and lets regroup for next year. Because between he and Freddy we have to slug our way to each victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 QUOTE(greg775 @ Aug 3, 2006 -> 04:11 AM) It's KW's fault more than Ozzie's. If he is a five inning guy then implodes he does not belong on a major league roster. If Oz has him to use, he's got to be able to go 6-7. Managers play the guys on the roster. It ain't his fault Vaz has sucked. Ozzie was one of the main reasons we went after Vazquez, if not the main reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Yes but was Vaz a 5 inning pitcher when Oz wanted us to get him? Is this his history? All I am saying is if he is a five inning guy then KW should demand we switch roles and make McCarthy the starter. A manager has to expect more than 5 innings from a starter especially one who is as highly paid as Vaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 QUOTE(greg775 @ Aug 3, 2006 -> 04:51 AM) Yes but was Vaz a 5 inning pitcher when Oz wanted us to get him? Is this his history? All I am saying is if he is a five inning guy then KW should demand we switch roles and make McCarthy the starter. A manager has to expect more than 5 innings from a starter especially one who is as highly paid as Vaz. He was known as a pitcher that could give you a lot of innings....but with each inning comes the chance of another implosion by him. For the last few years, he's definitely been "Judy" Vazquez (I hate the whole Judy thing, but it fits well here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 10:21 PM) Boo, no reality in this thread. already too many irish in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Reopened. Stay civil, on topic, and all is great!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 We might have to make a similar Cotts thread the way things are going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 2, 2006 -> 10:14 PM) Can we make this a Freddy and Javy thread. They both suck. They both get too much rope. In light of this, I wanted to make a comment on Freddy and didn't want to start a whole new thread. I hate this comment from the times this morning...''I made my pitches,'' Garcia said. ''I never really pitch good here, but I threw well. We didn't hit. What can I say?'' First off 4 earned runs in 6 innings isn't pitching well. Better? Yes....but not well. Second, don't blame the hitters. I know they didn't hit..they know they didn't hit, but you lost collectively. This is the big difference between Freddy and someone like Buehrle. Mark would never say something like "I did my job, but they didn't hit" He would say "my team gave me the lead and I blew it." Freddy needs to be taught the meaning of TEAM again. When he gives up 5, 6 or 8 runs, Do the hitters say...hey Freddy blew it. Edited August 3, 2006 by Controlled Chaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Aug 3, 2006 -> 08:26 AM) In light of this, I wanted to make a comment on Freddy and didn't want to start a whole new thread. I hate this comment from the times this morning...''I made my pitches,'' Garcia said. ''I never really pitch good here, but I threw well. We didn't hit. What can I say?'' First off 4 earned runs in 6 innings isn't pitching well. Better? Yes....but not well. Second, don't blame the hitters. I know they didn't hit..they know they didn't hit, but you lost collectively. This is the big difference between Freddy and someone like Buehrle. Mark would never say something like "I did my job, but they didn't hit" He would say "my team gave me the lead and I blew it." Freddy needs to be taught the meaning of TEAM again. When he gives up 5, 6 or 8 runs, Do the hitters say...hey Freddy blew it. Don't let Milkman see this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 SoxTalk hits an all time low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Aug 3, 2006 -> 08:45 AM) SoxTalk hits an all time low. No that was yesterday in the Filibuster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Aug 3, 2006 -> 01:26 PM) In light of this, I wanted to make a comment on Freddy and didn't want to start a whole new thread. I hate this comment from the times this morning...''I made my pitches,'' Garcia said. ''I never really pitch good here, but I threw well. We didn't hit. What can I say?'' First off 4 earned runs in 6 innings isn't pitching well. Better? Yes....but not well. Second, don't blame the hitters. I know they didn't hit..they know they didn't hit, but you lost collectively. This is the big difference between Freddy and someone like Buehrle. Mark would never say something like "I did my job, but they didn't hit" He would say "my team gave me the lead and I blew it." Freddy needs to be taught the meaning of TEAM again. When he gives up 5, 6 or 8 runs, Do the hitters say...hey Freddy blew it. I can't believe Freddy made these comments. What an absolute terrible attitude. I wonder what Ozzie will have to say about this. I can only hope that this type of comment only adds to the possibility that Garcia is traded this offseason. Edited August 3, 2006 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 3, 2006 -> 08:56 AM) I can't believe Freddy made these comments. What an absolute terrible attitude. I wonder what Ozzie will have to say about this. Probably nothing. Certain guys don't seem to get much criticism from Ozzie. Pods and his lazy jogs to first, Freddy when he shows up teammates, etc. Edited August 3, 2006 by BigSqwert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Aug 3, 2006 -> 08:54 AM) No that was yesterday in the Filibuster. The Buster never really had a high to fall from....I stay away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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