Official College Football Thread

[Heads22]

Chizik said all the right things. He also had to deal with an assistant AD having a diabetic attack during the presser.

[Heads22]

 

God, I think I'm in love.

[whitesoxfan101]

NIU is officially bowling, taking on TCU (should be a good game actually) in the Poinsettia Bowl in San Diego. Such great news, Wolfe and the seniors get to go out in style.

 

Oh, and Heads, great hire for the Cyclones. Not that your program has a real basketball and football coach, maybe you'll stop pissing down your leg .

 

I know he's not the sexiest pick, but I think Grobe could put something special on the field at Alabama. He's a hell of a coach and has a style that would fit the SEC to a T.

 

Grobe and Schiano are sexy picks, no doubt. If you can make Wake Forest and Rutgers good at football, you can coach.

[Heads22]

We have competent MBB, WBB, FB and WR coaches now.....spectacular.

[Rex Hudler]

NIU is officially bowling, taking on TCU (should be a good game actually) in the Poinsettia Bowl in San Diego. Such great news, Wolfe and the seniors get to go out in style.

 

Oh, and Heads, great hire for the Cyclones. Not that your program has a real basketball and football coach, maybe you'll stop pissing down your leg .

Grobe and Schiano are sexy picks, no doubt. If you can make Wake Forest and Rutgers good at football, you can coach.

 

Grobe is far from a sexy pic for Alabama. He was 26-32 in 5 years at Wake Forest coming into this year. He was 59-65-1 in 11yrs as a Head Coach. Decent success at Ohio U and Wake Forest does not make him what Alabama's fan base wants and needs right now.

 

He just doesn't have the pedigree. Alabama will look to make a splash. We'll see if they will be successful or not.

Edited November 28, 2006 by Rex Hudler

[Palehosefan]

There's a rumor that Rich Rodriguez and Bama are close for a deal. We will see how that turns out.

Edited November 28, 2006 by Palehosefan

[witesoxfan]

God, I think I'm in love.

Edited November 28, 2006 by witesoxfan

[Capn12]

Why of course! All kinds of rumors flying about the deal getting done with his agent Jimmy Sexton on Saturday, which is why they waited until Sunday to decide to make things final with Shula.

 

Of course, the radio folks in South Carolina are saying "no freakin way".

 

You hear anything? lol

 

 

No chance that Spur leaves USC right now....what would be the benefit of going somewhere to perpetually live in the shadows of a drunken, plaid hat wearing has-been? He has this USC team right where he wants them, Top 10-15 class coming in, competitive with anyone in the SEC, and things are getting better.

 

Though, it seems no matter how many times he says "I'm not going anywhere" in the press, the Bammer faithful spin it into something ludacris like "well he said he doesnt intend to leave USC, that doesnt mean he won't DECIDE to!" So sad to see the revolving door that is Bammer football coaches.

[whitesoxfan101]

Going from South Carolina to Alabama would be a lateral move at this point IMO, and I have no idea why Spurrier would do it.

[Rex Hudler]

Going from South Carolina to Alabama would be a lateral move at this point IMO, and I have no idea why Spurrier would do it.

 

 

Dude, you're joking, right? Sometimes I wonder where you get your stuff? South Carolina and Alabama will never EVER be a lateral move. The scope of a coaching job and a university is far wider than last year's record.

 

No chance that Spur leaves USC right now....what would be the benefit of going somewhere to perpetually live in the shadows of a drunken, plaid hat wearing has-been? He has this USC team right where he wants them, Top 10-15 class coming in, competitive with anyone in the SEC, and things are getting better.

 

Though, it seems no matter how many times he says "I'm not going anywhere" in the press, the Bammer faithful spin it into something ludacris like "well he said he doesnt intend to leave USC, that doesnt mean he won't DECIDE to!" So sad to see the revolving door that is Bammer football coaches.

 

 

I don't think he would leave either. But how many times have you heard coaches say they aren't planning on going anywhere and then they do just that? It happens all the time, so it isn't that far-fetched.

 

There's a rumor that Rich Rodriguez and Bama are close for a deal. We will see how that turns out.

 

Rodriguez would be a nice get for Alabama. It would satisfy the fan base, give them a coach with a proven track record, a coach that is extremely well respected in coaching circles and give them one with ties to the Bama area.

 

He already recruits Alabama and Florida well.

Edited November 28, 2006 by Rex Hudler

[Capn12]

My thing is, how do you entice a coach to come to your school, after going through 4 coaches in 7 years....thats the definition of a turnstyle position IMO. Bammer fans forget that Shula was one season removed from a 10 win campaign.

 

This isn't their fathers Alabama team, the SEC football teams are ALOT more balanced out overall. I just think that the Tide fans are a bit delusional if they think that some huge name coach wants to step into that black hole right now.

[Palehosefan]

Schula really struggled at Bama, he was barely above .500 from what I remember, something like two 6-6 seasons, a 4-7 season and a 10-2 year combing for something like 26-21.

 

The Bama job would make it easier to recruit, and would offer more pay. Which is usually enough for any coach, but we will see.

[T R U]

Hahahaha. I think the ND blinders have carried over to the NFL for ya. If Troy Smith goes in the 2nd round of the draft, you can have my season tickets for the sox.

 

Quinn is gonna go #1 to Detroit

 

Rock, there is no way that Troy Smith is taken in the first round and I will gladly take your season tickets when it happens

[Rex Hudler]

Schula really struggled at Bama, he was barely above .500 from what I remember, something like two 6-6 seasons, a 4-7 season and a 10-2 year combing for something like 26-21.

 

The Bama job would make it easier to recruit, and would offer more pay. Which is usually enough for any coach, but we will see.

 

Let's not forget that Bama was under some serious scholarship reductions/recruiting limitations in those years. This is the first year they had all 85 scholarships.

 

Bama seemed to be turning the corner last year, but they had some turnover at key positions. They had a new QB, lost a few members off of the offensive line and several members from their defense. The past limitations have really affected their depth. They went 10-2 last year for a couple of reasons. Their schedule was favorable (quite the opposite this year) and they had a lot of seniors. This is the year they expected to take a step back.

 

The problem with this year is how it went down.

 

-- They opened the season beating Hawaii 25-17, needing a deflected pass in the end zone as time expired to keep Hawaii from having a chance to tie.

-- They were losing to Duke at halftime and struggled to win that game at home.

-- They had Arkansas beat at Arkansas and pissed it away, missing three FG's. One with 3 minutes left in the game and one in the first OT that would have won it after they held Ark. Then they missed an extra point in OT, opening the door for Ark to win it.

-- They won only two SEC games, by 3 points over Vanderbilt and Ole Miss (OT)

-- They lost to Mississippi State who had lost some ungodly # of SEC games in a row

-- They lost to Auburn, their main rival for the 5th straight year. Shula was 0-4 against Auburn.

 

On top of that, there were other problems.

 

-- The team never seemed to get better and one could argue they got worse as the season went on.

-- There were discipline issues, some public, some rumored. Juwan Simpson was arrested with a gun and pot in the offseason and was suspended only one game, the 3rd game of the year against Lousiana-Monroe. The suspension was never announced and only casually mentioned by Shula in the post-game press conference. Other players would mysteriously not play in certain games or their playing time would vary frequently.

-- RB Ken Darby struggled all year and Jimmy Johns seemed to be running better, yet never got the PT. Rumors circled that he had an attitude problem, which could explain it, but the silence frustrated the fans when they saw Johns get 3 or 4 carries a game and do more than Darby was.

-- Shula several times had the "deer in headlights" look on the sidelines at key points in games. His game decisions were highly criticized, even to the point you could see players arguing their point with him on the sidelines to "go for it" on various occasions. There were times Shula could not make a decision and would burn a timeout, only to go back to kicking the FG (twice from the 1yrd line).

-- Shula has a very laid back personality. His teams seemed to reflect that at times, playing soft and undisciplined.

-- Shula was intent on calling the plays on offense. His conservative style was criticized widely, especially in the absence of a legitimate running game this year.

 

Put it all together and the program did not seem to be going in the right direction.

[GoodAsGould]

is that WR from bama coming back next season that like snapped his leg last season?

[Rex Hudler]

My thing is, how do you entice a coach to come to your school, after going through 4 coaches in 7 years....thats the definition of a turnstyle position IMO. Bammer fans forget that Shula was one season removed from a 10 win campaign.

 

This isn't their fathers Alabama team, the SEC football teams are ALOT more balanced out overall. I just think that the Tide fans are a bit delusional if they think that some huge name coach wants to step into that black hole right now.

 

If you step back and look at it, it's not great, but not as bad as it seems. One coach never coached a game and the current ex-coach was hired in a hurry to replace him. The coach before them was a pussy and could not handle the pressure. He took the job knowing probation was coming, yet bailed when he realized he couldn't deal with it.

 

The right coach won't worry about any of that. He will see a school steeped in tradition like few other schools. He will see arguably the most passionate fan base in college football and think he can thrive on that. He will know success at Alabama will give him the world.

 

He will need a strong personality that will do it his way. Someone that can communicate and has the personality to charm the alumni and realize the press can be your best friend when cultivated properly.

 

Putting Alabama back at the top of the college football world is a challenge like no other. But it would be rewarding like no other. The right coach will look at the situation, realize there is talent there and probation ends in February. The cupboard is not bare at all.

 

is that WR from bama coming back next season that like snapped his leg last season?

 

He is making every effort to be able to do so. Without further setbacks, it is a good possibility.

[RockRaines]

Quinn is gonna go #1 to Detroit

 

Rock, there is no way that Troy Smith is taken in the first round and I will gladly take your season tickets when it happens

 

I know Quinn will go #1, because the hype machine has been moving on him for almost two years now. Even though he has shown no real ability to lead a team to success, the physical aspects of him as a player will continue to draw praise, ESPECIALLY playing at the "great" Notre Dame.

 

Troy Smith isn't even going in the first round huh? I want to know where you people are getting this. Does everyone think he is an Eric Crouch rerun or something?

[Heads22]

So, I still have no idea how we got Coach Chizik....

 

Unseasonably warm weather in Ames with highs in the 60s?

[IlliniKrush]

I know Quinn will go #1, because the hype machine has been moving on him for almost two years now. Even though he has shown no real ability to lead a team to success, the physical aspects of him as a player will continue to draw praise, ESPECIALLY playing at the "great" Notre Dame.

 

Troy Smith isn't even going in the first round huh? I want to know where you people are getting this. Does everyone think he is an Eric Crouch rerun or something?

If the NFL draft was about leading teams to success it would look very different than it has the past few years. It's about tools, times, etc. You know this. It's not about won/loss record (though his isn't bad by any means) or national championships won. Not to call him Smith a Crouch, no, but look where he 'led' his team. Look where Cutler led his last year. Don't blame one player for wins/losses, it's clearly a team game.

 

The 'hype machine' has been around because he's shown the tools for 3+ years now, unlike Smith who has suddenly become a 'good' quarterback for one season.

 

And don't use the 'great' ND as an argument. Smith gets as much hype for playing at OSU as Quinn does playing for ND.

[Heads22]

Hooters founder to start supporting Iowa State?

 

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll...0383&lead=1

 

That'd be nifty. Free wings for everyone...

[ZoomSlowik]

The 'hype machine' has been around because he's shown the tools for 3+ years now, unlike Smith who has suddenly become a 'good' quarterback for one season.

 

That's warping the truth just a bit. Quinn was rather pedestrian before Weis showed up. He was a decent but far from stellar quarterback at the time (17/10 TD/INT, 54.1 completion percentage, 125.9 passer rating as a sophomore), certainly not considered one of the top pro prospects in the league. His freshmen totals were significantly worse.

 

Smith hasn't exactly just been a one year wonder either, he was considered one of the Heisman favorites with Quinn at the beginning of the year. Last season he posted a 16/4 TD/INT ratio last year with a 62.9 completion percentage and a 162.7 passer rating (and those totals are with one game missed and a non-start in another), plus his rushing numbers were pretty impressive as well. They're really pretty similar as college quarterbacks.

 

Quinn is definitely going to get more love from the pros because of his height, and he's better on the shorter routes. But Smith isn't exactly a scrub, and would be a steal towards the end of the first given his talent.

Edited November 29, 2006 by ZoomSlowik

[RockRaines]

The 'hype machine' has been around because he's shown the tools for 3+ years now, unlike Smith who has suddenly become a 'good' quarterback for one season.

 

And don't use the 'great' ND as an argument. Smith gets as much hype for playing at OSU as Quinn does playing for ND.

Man, I had a big response typed up until Zoom stole basically everything I was going to say. To add to his post, Smith also is 10-1 vs top ten ranked opponents, now I know he didnt play all of those THIS year did he?

 

And as much as you want to say OSU has as much hype as ND, I dont believe OSU has its own TV station that constantly promotes the team, not to mention any and all hype surround OSU came with the actual success of the team including recent National Titles and constant success in college football in recent years.

 

They both put up similar numbers and have great arm strength recognition etc. I guess the height is what will knock Smith out of the first round entirely, although the mock drafts that predicted his draft position were out before he put up the numbers he did this year, but whatever.

Edited November 29, 2006 by RockRaines

[IlliniKrush]

Keep in mind this is all is in response to your 'Smith is the best pro prospect' statement. Never said Smith sucks. However, it's very obvious Quinn is going ahead of him in the draft.

 

ND may have it's own tv station, but you make it sound like Smith had to really prove himself because he plays for the lowly OSU instead of the media hyped ND. Not the case at all, he gets noticed plenty, and the difference in hype due to school is negligible, IMO. He doesn't play for vanderbilt.

[T R U]

Quinn was rather pedestrian before Weis showed up.

 

Exactly, and what did Weis bring? An NFL style offense. Quinns two years under a former NFL coordinator in a pro style offense has produced amazing numbers for him.

 

Quinn has the size and all the tools to be a Franchise NFL quarterback..

 

Im not trying to say that Troy Smith isnt a good QB, but I dont see him going in round 1. I just see guys like Tyler Palko, Jamarcus Russel (If he comes out), Brian Brohm (Same), and possibly even Kevin Kolb going before him..

 

Also you have to look at the draft and what teams are picking where by the end of the year.. Smith wont go in round one that I am sure of

[RockRaines]

Exactly, and what did Weis bring? An NFL style offense. Quinns two years under a former NFL coordinator in a pro style offense has produced amazing numbers for him.

 

Quinn has the size and all the tools to be a Franchise NFL quarterback..

 

Im not trying to say that Troy Smith isnt a good QB, but I dont see him going in round 1. I just see guys like Tyler Palko, Jamarcus Russel (If he comes out), Brian Brohm (Same), and possibly even Kevin Kolb going before him..

 

Also you have to look at the draft and what teams are picking where by the end of the year.. Smith wont go in round one that I am sure of

Tyler Palko 2871 yards 25 td 9 int 163.25 RAT

Jamarcus Russell 2797 yards 26 td 7 int 168.10 RAT

Brian Brohm 2397 yards 12 td 4 int 154.56 RAT

Kevin Kolb 3165 yards 25 td 3 int 162.81 RAT

 

Troy Smith 2507 yards 30 td 5 int 167.87 RAT

 

So because the guys you listed are 1 to a couple of inches taller than Troy, they will go before him? Oh and OSU runs a pro style offense and defense, and training camp.