Official College Football Thread

[Rex Hudler]

Tyler Palko 2871 yards 25 td 9 int 163.25 RAT

Jamarcus Russell 2797 yards 26 td 7 int 168.10 RAT

Brian Brohm 2397 yards 12 td 4 int 154.56 RAT

Kevin Kolb 3165 yards 25 td 3 int 162.81 RAT

 

Troy Smith 2507 yards 30 td 5 int 167.87 RAT

 

So because the guys you listed are 1 to a couple of inches taller than Troy, they will go before him? Oh and OSU runs a pro style offense and defense, and training camp.

 

Dude will you get over it? Who an NFL team drafts is not all about wins/losses and stats.

 

I have no clue what, if any other QB's will go ahead of Smith in the draft other than Quinn, but arguing your point with stats is totally pointless. Troy will have his chance to prove himself after the season in an all-star game, combines and private workouts. No one here is saying Troy Smith is a bad QB. In fact it is quite the opposite. He gets plenty of respect if you can get the Brady Quinn chip off your shoulder. It's blocking your eyesight of reality.

 

And hype has nothing to do with it. If it did, Jay Cutler would have been on no one's 1st round radar last year.

[T R U]

Tyler Palko 2871 yards 25 td 9 int 163.25 RAT

Jamarcus Russell 2797 yards 26 td 7 int 168.10 RAT

Brian Brohm 2397 yards 12 td 4 int 154.56 RAT

Kevin Kolb 3165 yards 25 td 3 int 162.81 RAT

 

Troy Smith 2507 yards 30 td 5 int 167.87 RAT

 

So because the guys you listed are 1 to a couple of inches taller than Troy, they will go before him? Oh and OSU runs a pro style offense and defense, and training camp.

 

Your putting too much into college stats.. Just because they are all close in stats means that they are all equals? Hell why isn't Colt Brennan the front runner for the Heisman and projected as the first Quarterback taken in the draft? Its about finding a QB that will project to an NFL caliber QB..

 

I'm not an NFL executive or a scout, but I have watched a lot of football and you see the same things happen like this all the time.. Just because you are a successful college Quarterback on a good team doesn't mean you are going to be a first rounder or even drafted for that matter.

 

I just think that others are going to go before him and hes not going round one

[RockRaines]

Dude will you get over it? Who an NFL team drafts is not all about wins/losses and stats.

 

I have no clue what, if any other QB's will go ahead of Smith in the draft other than Quinn, but arguing your point with stats is totally pointless. Troy will have his chance to prove himself after the season in an all-star game, combines and private workouts. No one here is saying Troy Smith is a bad QB. In fact it is quite the opposite. He gets plenty of respect if you can get the Brady Quinn chip off your shoulder. It's blocking your eyesight of reality.

 

And hype has nothing to do with it. If it did, Jay Cutler would have been on no one's 1st round radar last year.

I've tried to reason with intangibles like leadership, arm strength, recognition. I have put up stats to show how good he is. I guess its difference of opinion then. I think Quinn will go #1 and much of that is how good he is, and he may be a decent NFL QB, but i still think troy is the better football player.

 

Smith was projected as an early 2nd rounder before the season even started, with his performance and the fastest development I have ever seen a QB go through, he is a lock to be in the first round. There hasnt been a game this year where he wasnt the best player on the field. The proof is in the pudding, and when he finally gets into the league, maybe a few of the people who have filed him into a "mobile qb" mold and havent seen much of him this year will open their eyes.

[Chisoxfn]

I know Quinn will go #1, because the hype machine has been moving on him for almost two years now. Even though he has shown no real ability to lead a team to success, the physical aspects of him as a player will continue to draw praise, ESPECIALLY playing at the "great" Notre Dame.

 

Troy Smith isn't even going in the first round huh? I want to know where you people are getting this. Does everyone think he is an Eric Crouch rerun or something?

As the person who orginally stated Quinn is better than Smith and will be the higher NFL pick and the better NFL player, I also want to mention I fully expect Smith to go in the first round and likely in the top half of it as well. I just don't think he's as good as Quinn (as a pro QB) but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the tools to be a damn good QB (they just aren't as good as Quinn's, imo).

[THEWOOD]

Brady will go in the top 3 of the draft. This we all know. I think he will have a very large drop off in the NFL. He has perfomed very well under Charlie Weiss, who is a offensive mastermind. He will be hard pressed to ever find that kind of coaching (offensively) ever again.

 

I think Troy will be drafted in the first round, I just dont ever see him being a starting quarterback in the NFL. I think he has great talent and is a great player, he just isnt suited well for the NFL.

 

This all coming from a domer hater and buckeye alumni....

[GoodAsGould]

According to Mel Kiper he doesnt expect Smith to go in the 1st round... and if he does it would be late..

[Rex Hudler]

I am far from an NFL draft expert, but I would not be surprised at all to see Smith go in the first round. If he doesn't, I think it will be more of a function of a lack of need for QB's that high.

 

Rock, I'm with you in terms of his improvement. I don't recall which one, but recently an announcer compared him more to Drew Brees than to a Vince Young type. I think Smith has proven this year he is more than a scrambler. I can't attest to his "recognition" ability in terms of translating to the speed of the NFL game. I can't get into the technical abilities of QB's. But I do believe he has become a legit NFL QB. I think his stock will improve after OSU wins the National Championship (combines, private workouts, etc).

 

I just don't think you can use stats or wins to prove his worth. I guess time will tell whether he is an NFL starter, a career backup or destined for the CFL.

[RockRaines]

I am far from an NFL draft expert, but I would not be surprised at all to see Smith go in the first round. If he doesn't, I think it will be more of a function of a lack of need for QB's that high.

 

Rock, I'm with you in terms of his improvement. I don't recall which one, but recently an announcer compared him more to Drew Brees than to a Vince Young type. I think Smith has proven this year he is more than a scrambler. I can't attest to his "recognition" ability in terms of translating to the speed of the NFL game. I can't get into the technical abilities of QB's. But I do believe he has become a legit NFL QB. I think his stock will improve after OSU wins the National Championship (combines, private workouts, etc).

 

I just don't think you can use stats or wins to prove his worth. I guess time will tell whether he is an NFL starter, a career backup or destined for the CFL.

I would say Drew Brees but with a better arm and great legs. His progression in the last two years is unreal.

[Palehosefan]

I would say Drew Brees but with a better arm and great legs.

 

LOL, come on, I know you are an OSU fan, but that's just too much.

 

http://alabama.scout.com/2/595807.html

 

Odd.

[Rex Hudler]

LOL, come on, I know you are an OSU fan, but that's just too much.

 

http://alabama.scout.com/2/595807.html

 

Odd.

 

The local media here won't give up on the possibility of Spurrier or Saban. One even commented Spurrier may be allowed to bring his son to be the offensive coordinator. I didn't know he had a son or if he coaches, so I don't know if that was a joke or not.

 

They seem to think the longer the search continues, it will be an indication that Saban is a realistic possibility and they may have to wait until after the NFL season.

 

All of it is rumor and conjecture, of course, because university officials aren't saying anything. Hell, who knows, maybe they are dropping info to mislead the media so they can pursue other options quietly?

[IlliniKrush]

There hasnt been a game this year where he wasnt the best player on the field.

Illinois? Nope.

[RockRaines]

Illinois? Nope.

Yes, the Juice was loose that game.

Edited November 30, 2006 by RockRaines

[chimpy2121]

Unless Nick Saban shocks us and decides to take the Alabama job, Jimbo Fisher might be on his way to FSU for OC.

[IlliniKrush]

Yes, the Juice was loose that game.

Nice irrelevant response.

[Felix]

Fun link to read: http://sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2006/11/br...rady-quinn.html

[ZoomSlowik]

Fun link to read: http://sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2006/11/br...rady-quinn.html

 

Though I do agree with a lot of that, it sounds an awful lot like what people said about Peyton Manning at Tennessee.

 

He never beat Florida, IIRC his only bowl win came over Northwestern in the Citrus Bowl (and I know they got torched by Nebraska his senior year), and played in a conference that at the time didn't play any defense.

[RockRaines]

Though I do agree with a lot of that, it sounds an awful lot like what people said about Peyton Manning at Tennessee.

 

He never beat Florida, IIRC his only bowl win came over Northwestern in the Citrus Bowl (and I know they got torched by Nebraska his senior year), and played in a conference that at the time didn't play any defense.

And now he cant ever win the important Playoff games, correlation?

[ZoomSlowik]

And now he cant ever win the important Playoff games, correlation?

 

I think the bigger thing is that he's never had a GREAT team around him. The offenses have been awesome, but their defense has always been only decent at best, and frankly I've never been overly impressed by their offensive line either. That's enough to win a big game here and there, but it makes it hard to win 3 in a row against good teams.

 

So far it looks like Manning is going to be this generation's Dan Marino, great stats, no rings.

Edited November 30, 2006 by ZoomSlowik

[RockRaines]

I think the bigger thing is that he's never had a GREAT team around him. The offenses have been awesome, but their defense has always been only decent at best, and frankly I've never been overly impressed by their offensive line either.

 

So far it looks like Manning is going to be this generation's Dan Marino, great stats, no rings.

I was just messing around anyway, but year I can see that comparison.

[IlliniKrush]

Fun link to read: http://sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2006/11/br...rady-quinn.html

Taken from Rakes of Mallow, where i originally saw that USC write up:

 

So let's just arbitrarily remove teams from the record, ignoring the fact that BYU and Navy have fielded at least competitive teams during Quinn's career and that Stanford did the same up until this season, when Walt Harris' plan for destruction came to fruition. While it's true Notre Dame's opponents haven't been overall strong the last few seasons - especially this one, where the Domers escape with a pussy schedule ratings of 19. Can you believe the fact people even put us on television? - Quinn's last four losses have come against the number one, two and three teams in the country (That would be two against USC, the Fiesta Bowl against Ohio State and Saturday's Southern Cal game).

 

His first season was absolutely terrible, as he was thrust into action when everything started falling apart in Ty's second campaign. There's a quote in an old Observer about Brady's freshman year when during the week it wasn't even discussed that he could possibly enter a game, then voila, he's getting pancaked by Florida State and Southern Cal. His second season he was still under the tutelage of Ty, who guided the team to a 6-5 season, but that was all Brady's fault.

 

The two bowl losses referenced? The 2004 Insight.com Bowl, when the Irish were being led by an interim coach and Weis' only influence on the game was to call in and talk during the second half, and the 2006 Fiesta Bowl, where they played some school from Ohio who was supposed to be pretty good this year - how'd that turn out?

 

I also won't bring up the fact that this post doesn't bring up the Notre ame (No D - get it?!) defense, which has been consistently terrible in Quinn's time here. It must be nice to play for a team that has some defensive talent and can keep the scores low against quality teams, but Brady doesn't have that luxury. It seems rather unfair to bash the Irish defense - justly, I won't argue with those claims - and then completely neglect that fact when you want to point out how many games Quinn has lost.

 

Brady Quinn holds nearly every Notre Dame passing record and guided the team 19-5 record over his junior and senior seasons under Coach Weis. Did he go winless against Southern Cal? Yes, but I don't think there's a player you can replace him with in the country who would have done much better with the talent surrounding him. Is it possible he go winless in bowl games? Yes, but that's a month away, so we'll just have to wait and see.

 

But as far as Brady being overrated simply because his record isn't overly gaudy, just ask yourself: Put another quarterback into his four-year situation, and does he do significantly better?

[Palehosefan]

Now I'm hearing that Spurrier to Alabama is a done deal. That would be interesting to say the least.

[Capn12]

Heh...its not gonna happen...not sure how many more different ways Spurrier can say no.

 

Rehashed yet again...

 

Bammer is in some trouble if they think they are gonna pull a huge name into the coaching mess they have there. It should start with the firing of Mal Moore tbh, and see what happens from there.

[Rex Hudler]

I don't think Alabama will get Spurrier. I'm not really convince he is their best option, but that's just me. If it does happen, it will happen by the end of this weekend. If Sunday comes and goes without a planned press conference, then consider it done.

 

I heard the same rumors today that Spurrier agreed to at least listen. I put those rumors with all the rest. Alabama hired the same search firm that North Carolina used, so my guess is that a Spurrier hiring is not imminent, otherwise they would be tossing money away.

 

If Mal Moore were smart, he'd have people keep leaking Spurrier rumors while he quietly secured a deal with someone else behind the scenes. The longer Spurrier stays in the media's collective brain's, the less pressure there is on other candidates. A deal could get done quietly, ala Gene Chizik, while everyone is focused on the Ole Ball Coach. Do it with smoke and mirrors I say.

[Rex Hudler]

The latest is that Alabama is nearing a deal with Rich Rodriguez. Those reports are originating out of West Virginia and Pat Forde of ESPN, not Alabama. Forde says Bama will make a formal offer after WVU's game Saturday. Greg Hunter, who works for the flagship station for Mountineer sports details potential contract dollars. He said on the radio here tonight, that insiders have been telling him for a week that if Alabama offers, Rodriguez will accept.

 

West Virginia Metro News

 

Personally, I think this would be a better hire than Spurrier.

[zenryan]

The latest is that Alabama is nearing a deal with Rich Rodriguez. Those reports are originating out of West Virginia and Pat Forde of ESPN, not Alabama. Forde says Bama will make a formal offer after WVU's game Saturday. Greg Hunter, who works for the flagship station for Mountineer sports details potential contract dollars. He said on the radio here tonight, that insiders have been telling him for a week that if Alabama offers, Rodriguez will accept.

 

West Virginia Metro News

 

Personally, I think this would be a better hire than Spurrier.

 

 

it would be a better hire b/c RR is younger and you know he will be there for the long haul