Soxplosion Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 I think he will make it. If he retires right now, I think hell make it but itll take him a while. Hell need to get 400 and possibly 500. If he gets 400, hes got an great chance, if he gets 450 hes got an excellent chance and if he gets 500 Id say on the first ballot. My dad also thinks the fact that hes won no championships will hurt him, but I dont think so. Im assuming hell make it to atleast 450 (I hope and think its possible he gets 500) so Im gonna say hes in on the first ballot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Frank should make the HOF right now. I think it is too early to call him a first ballot guy. Depends on if he can put up some numbers for a few more years, or if April and May turn out to be more typical of the rest of his career. The guy is in a great hot streak for the last 10-15 games, and it will be interesting to see if he carrys it the rest of this year, or if it is one month in 6 like last September was to his 2002 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 A few things are going to hurt his chances 1. His public relations skills. 2. DH most of his career. 3. Only a handfull of postseason games and he sucked in those. I feel fortunate that I've been able to see him play throught his career. During the mid 90's he was poetry to watch at the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Right now, I say no. He needs 2-3 more solid seasons to be a lock first ballot. 425 would get him in eventually. If his career average ever slips below .300 it will be tough. 2200 hits 450 home runs 1500 RBI's and as long as the batting average stays up, and the ob% remains one of the best of all time, he will get in their quickly. Right now he can just pride himself on being the best white sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 The way this season is going so far is really going to help him. I read somewhere that walks just aren't "sexy" to the Baseball Writers. Frank dominated this league for 7 years in a row last decade and put up some solid seasons in 1999 and 2000 as well. This year looks like '99 Thomas to me as long as he stays healthy all year should solidify him for 1st ballot HOF. The baseball-reference.com HOF indicators show him to be a lock by a number of their measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssHatSoxFan Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 thomas needs a solid year like this to show that he belongs because he was a top 5 player of the 1990's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted June 14, 2003 Author Share Posted June 14, 2003 OK, I probably should have voted for the "most likely if he pads his stats a little more" option because I said hell assume hell reach the standards I set for him in my first post. But if he pads those stats enough I think hell make it on the first ballot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Yes, on the first ballot WHAT does 1st ballot mean????? BE GOOD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 If FT the shell remains, he is KILLING his chances forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 WHAT does 1st ballot mean????? BE GOOD "1st ballot" means that a guy gets inducted the first time he's on the ballot. For example, when Roger Clemens retires, I think he'll have to wait 5 years (or something like that) to be on the HOF ballot, and since he's one of the best pitchers ever, he'll be voted in the first time he's eligible. Hence, "1st ballot". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 WHAT does 1st ballot mean????? BE GOOD "1st ballot" means that a guy gets inducted the first time he's on the ballot. For example, when Roger Clemens retires, I think he'll have to wait 5 years (or something like that) to be on the HOF ballot, and since he's one of the best pitchers ever, he'll be voted in the first time he's eligible. Hence, "1st ballot". AHHHHHHHHH, gotcha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 A few things are going to hurt his chances 1. His public relations skills. 2. DH most of his career. 3. Only a handfull of postseason games and he sucked in those. I feel fortunate that I've been able to see him play throught his career. During the mid 90's he was poetry to watch at the plate. agreed on your three points..... he wont make it in on a first round ballot........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 IF his career ended today, id give him ZERO consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 IF his career ended today, id give him ZERO consideration. Wow. I disagree big time there. Just for kicks, I looked up the stats of some of the members of the HOF. Jim Bottomley -- 1B, mainly for the Cardinals, played from '22-'37 .310 avg (Frank -- .313) .369 OBP (Frank -- .431) .500 SLG (Frank -- .568) 219 HR (Frank -- 392) 1,422 RBI (Frank -- 1,320) 1,177 runs (Frank -- 1,201) 1.12 walks per strikeout (Frank -- 1.32) 465 doubles (Frank -- 408) 151 triples (Frank -- 11 ) 2,313 hits (Frank -- 1,963) Played about 200 more games than Frank, so I'd give Frank the advantage. Roger Connor -- 1B, mainly for the Giants from 1880-1897. .317 avg (Frank -- .313) .397 OBP (Frank -- .431) .486 SLG (Frank -- .568) 138 HR (Frank -- 392) 1,322 RBI (Frank -- 1,320) 1,620 runs (Frank -- 1,201) 2.57 walks per strikeout (Frank -- 1.32) 441 doubles (Frank -- 408) 233 triples (Frank -- 11 ) 2,467 hits (Frank -- 1,963) Close. Played longer than Frank (about 200 more games), so Frank has time to cut into the run and hit difference. Orlando Cepeda, 1B mainly for the Giants and Braves from '58-'74. .297 avg (Frank -- .313) .350 OBP (Frank -- .431) .499 SLG (Frank -- .568) 379 HR (Frank -- 392) 1,365 RBI (Frank -- 1,320) 1,131 runs (Frank -- 1,201) 0.503 walks per strikeout (Frank -- 1.32) 417 doubles (Frank -- 408) 27 triples (Frank -- 11 ) 2,351 hits (Frank -- 1,963) Frank's got him in avgerage and eye. Others are very comparable. The bottom line is that even if Frank ended his career right now, he's got VERY comparable numbers to several HOF'ers. I think he'd get in eventually (maybe not 1st ballot), but if he plays 3-5 more seasons and they are somewhat productive, he'll end up with around 500 HR, 2,500 hits, and 1,600+ RBI. That will make him a shoe-in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 Wow. I disagree big time there. Just for kicks, I looked up the stats of some of the members of the HOF. Jim Bottomley -- 1B, mainly for the Cardinals, played from '22-'37 .310 avg (Frank -- .313) .369 OBP (Frank -- .431) .500 SLG (Frank -- .568) 219 HR (Frank -- 392) 1,422 RBI (Frank -- 1,320) 1,177 runs (Frank -- 1,201) 1.12 walks per strikeout (Frank -- 1.32) 465 doubles (Frank -- 408) 151 triples (Frank -- 11 ) 2,313 hits (Frank -- 1,963) Played about 200 more games than Frank, so I'd give Frank the advantage. Roger Connor -- 1B, mainly for the Giants from 1880-1897. .317 avg (Frank -- .313) .397 OBP (Frank -- .431) .486 SLG (Frank -- .568) 138 HR (Frank -- 392) 1,322 RBI (Frank -- 1,320) 1,620 runs (Frank -- 1,201) 2.57 walks per strikeout (Frank -- 1.32) 441 doubles (Frank -- 408) 233 triples (Frank -- 11 ) 2,467 hits (Frank -- 1,963) Close. Played longer than Frank (about 200 more games), so Frank has time to cut into the run and hit difference. Orlando Cepeda, 1B mainly for the Giants and Braves from '58-'74. .297 avg (Frank -- .313) .350 OBP (Frank -- .431) .499 SLG (Frank -- .568) 379 HR (Frank -- 392) 1,365 RBI (Frank -- 1,320) 1,131 runs (Frank -- 1,201) 0.503 walks per strikeout (Frank -- 1.32) 417 doubles (Frank -- 408) 27 triples (Frank -- 11 ) 2,351 hits (Frank -- 1,963) Frank's got him in avgerage and eye. Others are very comparable. The bottom line is that even if Frank ended his career right now, he's got VERY comparable numbers to several HOF'ers. I think he'd get in eventually (maybe not 1st ballot), but if he plays 3-5 more seasons and they are somewhat productive, he'll end up with around 500 HR, 2,500 hits, and 1,600+ RBI. That will make him a shoe-in. If you want to take two players from the dead ball era and compare them to the offensive onslaught of today there are going to be about 50 players that get into the HOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 Wow. I disagree big time there. Just for kicks, I looked up the stats of some of the members of the HOF. Jim Bottomley -- 1B, mainly for the Cardinals, played from '22-'37 .310 avg (Frank -- .313) .369 OBP (Frank -- .431) .500 SLG (Frank -- .568) 219 HR (Frank -- 392) 1,422 RBI (Frank -- 1,320) 1,177 runs (Frank -- 1,201) 1.12 walks per strikeout (Frank -- 1.32) 465 doubles (Frank -- 408) 151 triples (Frank -- 11 ) 2,313 hits (Frank -- 1,963) Played about 200 more games than Frank, so I'd give Frank the advantage. Roger Connor -- 1B, mainly for the Giants from 1880-1897. .317 avg (Frank -- .313) .397 OBP (Frank -- .431) .486 SLG (Frank -- .568) 138 HR (Frank -- 392) 1,322 RBI (Frank -- 1,320) 1,620 runs (Frank -- 1,201) 2.57 walks per strikeout (Frank -- 1.32) 441 doubles (Frank -- 408) 233 triples (Frank -- 11 ) 2,467 hits (Frank -- 1,963) Close. Played longer than Frank (about 200 more games), so Frank has time to cut into the run and hit difference. Orlando Cepeda, 1B mainly for the Giants and Braves from '58-'74. .297 avg (Frank -- .313) .350 OBP (Frank -- .431) .499 SLG (Frank -- .568) 379 HR (Frank -- 392) 1,365 RBI (Frank -- 1,320) 1,131 runs (Frank -- 1,201) 0.503 walks per strikeout (Frank -- 1.32) 417 doubles (Frank -- 408) 27 triples (Frank -- 11 ) 2,351 hits (Frank -- 1,963) Frank's got him in avgerage and eye. Others are very comparable. The bottom line is that even if Frank ended his career right now, he's got VERY comparable numbers to several HOF'ers. I think he'd get in eventually (maybe not 1st ballot), but if he plays 3-5 more seasons and they are somewhat productive, he'll end up with around 500 HR, 2,500 hits, and 1,600+ RBI. That will make him a shoe-in. I don't think you can compare Thomas to Bottomley and Connor, the game is just too different today. I like the Cepeda analysis though, the only problem is that Cepeda did not get in until a few years ago, and he got in on the veterans ballot. I think they are even considering getting rid of the Veterans ballot so guys like Bill Mazeroski stay out of the hall of fame instead of getting a sympathy vote. IMO, Frank could use some Willie Stargell type numbers. Willie Stargell OF Pirates 1962-82 .282 Avg. (Frank--.313) .360 obp. (Frank--.431) .529 slg. (Frank--.568) 475 hr (Frank--392) 1540 rbi (Frank--1320) 1195 runs (Frank--1201) 423 2b (Frank--408) 55 3b (Frank--11) 2232 hits (Frank--1963) Frank is a first ballot hall of famer in terms of the percentage stats, but he needs to beef up the actual numbers. What would help Thomas the most is a little longevity, and obviously a world series ring would help his cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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