JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 pre-2005 how many people would have laughed at the notion that Jon Garland would lead the White Sox in victories for two consecutive seasons in '05 and on his way in '06? I know I definitely would have been one of those laughing at this thought but Jon's 18 wins last year led the team while his 13 this year are leading the way again 2 in front of Jose, Javy, and Freddy. Hard to believe but I am glad he was able to turn it around because at the end of the 2004 season I was certainly ready to get him out of chicago. thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I'm not surprised. I always said Garland would be a good pitcher. I expect him to get even better over the next 2 or 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 garland has been solid. If he could just improve his changeup (and not have it knocked outta the park so much) he could move to the next level and truly become a No 2 starter. Right now he's a four or five and frequently benefits from pitching in that spot in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo880 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 12:39 PM) pre-2005 how many people would have laughed at the notion that Jon Garland would lead the White Sox in victories for two consecutive seasons in '05 and on his way in '06? I know I definitely would have been one of those laughing at this thought but Jon's 18 wins last year led the team while his 13 this year are leading the way again 2 in front of Jose, Javy, and Freddy. Hard to believe but I am glad he was able to turn it around because at the end of the 2004 season I was certainly ready to get him out of chicago. thoughts? I'm glad he's getting wins but his era around 5 shouldnt impress anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 How would Garland have to pitch the rest of the year to lower his ERA to 4.50? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I'm not a fan of Jon, but its nice to see him turn it around this season. His overall ERA and WHIP won't look pretty at the end of the year, but he's really been a good starter for us in the last month or two, which has made a big difference in us staying in this divisional race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 As much as I would like to wipe away Jon's first two months, we needed those games as much as we need these ones. If he gets his ERA down to 4.75 I will consider the season a success Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 05:05 PM) How would Garland have to pitch the rest of the year to lower his ERA to 4.50? He sucks. They all suck. They all should just stop playing. Division over. No playoffs. Thome sucks, can't hit for average. Konerko sucks. All bullpen guys suck. Suck. Suck. Suck. Suck. Suck. Ozzie sucks. Suck. Suck. Suck. *sigh* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 12:16 PM) As much as I would like to wipe away Jon's first two months, we needed those games as much as we need these ones. If he gets his ERA down to 4.75 I will consider the season a success How many losses did he have in those games? Has Jon Garland ever missed a start? To me that more than makes up for an ERA of 5.00. How many games would Haegar have won if Jon missed starts. Ask anyone on the northside or Boston how important a healthy pitcher with an ERA of 5 is. How many pitchers of Garland's age have more wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 10:03 AM) garland has been solid. If he could just improve his changeup (and not have it knocked outta the park so much) he could move to the next level and truly become a No 2 starter. Right now he's a four or five and frequently benefits from pitching in that spot in the rotation. I don't even know if its improving the changeup, rather improving the consistency with which he throws it. When its on, its a sick pitch and will make him even better, the problem is he tends to leave it up a little more often than you would like. If he can improve upon that as the season goes on and into next year, I really think Jon can be even better. The guy has poise, throws a real heavy ball and really seems to have a fluid motion and is such a great fielder on the mound (plus he actually limits the oppositions running game). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 12:20 PM) He sucks. They all suck. They all should just stop playing. Division over. No playoffs. Thome sucks, can't hit for average. Konerko sucks. All bullpen guys suck. Suck. Suck. Suck. Suck. Suck. Ozzie sucks. Suck. Suck. Suck. *sigh* Well, thanks for the snarky response to my legitimate question, Mr. Admin. Anyone know the answer to the actual question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 05:49 PM) Well, thanks for the snarky response to my legitimate question, Mr. Admin. Anyone know the answer to the actual question? He'd have to pitch GOOD for that to happen. How's that? But they all suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 12:52 PM) He'd have to pitch GOOD for that to happen. How's that? But they all suck. Alllllright, I'm just looking for an actual answer here. Not sure why you're being a jerk about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 05:54 PM) Alllllright, I'm just looking for an actual answer here. Not sure why you're being a jerk about it. It's up to the mathmeticians of the site. It would depend on innings pitched, and earned runs... again Not trying to be that much of a jerkass, but I think it's a question that's extremely difficult to answer, that's all. And past history tells me that he sucks (I'm kidding on the last part). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 12:56 PM) It's up to the mathmeticians of the site. It would depend on innings pitched, and earned runs... again Not trying to be that much of a jerkass, but I think it's a question that's extremely difficult to answer, that's all. And past history tells me that he sucks (I'm kidding on the last part). OK, then does anyone have the patience to actually figure that out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 05:58 PM) OK, then does anyone have the patience to actually figure that out? Dude, I'm sorry. I'm laughing hysterically. I obviously don't. I would think, seriously, he'd have to pitch right around 6-7 innings per game at around 3 runs per to get back to 4.50. That isn't easy, this time of year, when people start getting tired. Put it this way. I'm just glad he's keeping his team in games. That's all that matters. /ducks out of thread now. Sorry to start crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 01:00 PM) Dude, I'm sorry. I'm laughing hysterically. I obviously don't. I would think, seriously, he'd have to pitch right around 6-7 innings per game at around 3 runs per to get back to 4.50. That isn't easy, this time of year, when people start getting tired. Put it this way. I'm just glad he's keeping his team in games. That's all that matters. /ducks out of thread now. Sorry to start crap. That's why I asked if anyone else knew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 12:58 PM) OK, then does anyone have the patience to actually figure that out? just for simplicities sake if he has pitched about 2/3 of the season with a 5 era, he would need about a 3.5 era over the last 3rd if the innings are balanced based on the parts of the season. An exact answer is impossible, simply because of a gagillion variables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 01:08 PM) just for simplicities sake if he has pitched about 2/3 of the season with a 5 era, he would need about a 3.5 era over the last 3rd if the innings are balanced based on the parts of the season. An exact answer is impossible, simply because of a gagillion variables. Yeah, but what you said about 3.5 sounds like what I was looking for. Sounds like he could do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 12:58 PM) OK, then does anyone have the patience to actually figure that out? So far this season Garland has started 23 G/148.1 IP and 82 ER. Lets say Jon gets 8 more starts the rest of the way and pitches approximately 7 innings in every outing that would give him 56 IP the rest of the way but we'll round it off to 56.2 to give a round number of 205 IP for the season. 31 GS, 205 IP If he allows 20 ER the rest of the way (3.20 ERA) he'll finish the season with a 4.50 ERA If he allows 24 ER the rest of the way (3.84 ERA) he'll finish the season with a 4.65 ERA If he allows 26 ER the rest of the way (4.13 ERA) he'll finish the season with a 4.75 ERA If he allows 30 ER the rest of the way (4.76 ERA) he'll finish the season with a 4.92 ERA There you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Thank you. That's pretty precise. Maybe a 4.50 ERA is hoping for too much now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 01:13 PM) Thank you. That's pretty precise. Maybe a 4.50 ERA is hoping for too much now. As long as he keeps us in games is all I ask. Under 5 would be great though considering how bad he started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 01:13 PM) Thank you. That's pretty precise. Maybe a 4.50 ERA is hoping for too much now. Nah. A 4.25 ERA or a 4.00 ERA would be asking too much. Garland pitches well enough, and he has been for about the last two months, and he can put up 3.20 ERAs over a stretch of time pretty easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 12:05 PM) How would Garland have to pitch the rest of the year to lower his ERA to 4.50? If Garland pitches 211 2/3 innings (what he's on pace for), he'd have to limit opponents to 24 runs over his next 63 1/3 innings to have an ERA of 4.46, which is the closest to 4.50 that I could get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Aug 15, 2006 -> 03:40 PM) If Garland pitches 211 2/3 innings (what he's on pace for), he'd have to limit opponents to 24 runs over his next 63 1/3 innings to have an ERA of 4.46, which is the closest to 4.50 that I could get. Which works out to about 3.41 ERA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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