Chisoxfn Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 05:14 PM) Shame on Williams for trading and signing up a pitching staff that was the core of a World Series Champion, shame on him. There was absolutely no way to predict this. The only thing you could potentially slam/argue is the Vazquez move, thats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:14 PM) Every single team in baseball would jump at the chance to have Mark Buehrle for 9.5 million. Obviously, people are DESPERATE for a lefty SP that takes the ball. That doesn't change the fact he's been figured out and sucks though, and although he'll be back, i'm not happy about it at all. It's 9.5 million of bad money on the payroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 12:14 AM) Shame on Williams for trading and signing up a pitching staff that was the core of a World Series Champion, shame on him. Yeah, even I'm sticking up for Sox organization members in regards to this argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgaudin Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 06:09 PM) Nobody wants to trade for an underachiever, you don't trade guys at minimum value. Plus, the payroll number doesn't change the unexpected dropoff by this pitching staff. The only way this year is Kenny's fault is if YOU predicted the pitching rotation would be this bad, becasue even if they were just mediocre, we'd be a playoff team. Define "mediocre"....That's middle of the pack, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxHawk1980 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 He signed Garland and Contreras to long-term contracts, and they're are two best starters. Given Contreras's very advanced age, do you really think signing him to a long-term contract was a good idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:13 PM) He signed Garland and Contreras to long-term contracts, and they're are two best starters. Yup, with 4+ ERAs. Two aces! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:14 PM) I'm with Fathom on this one. Do you really think a rookie pitcher who has never pitched above AA can't have a 5+ ERA? Broadway is no Liriano or Verlander...not yet at least. Broadway could come up and pitch a 6 ERA, and we'd save 9 million dollars on a pitcher with an ERA that's only 3/4 of a run worse than Buehrle. Not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Productive outs don't apply in the 5th inning of a 3 run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgaudin Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 06:15 PM) Given Contreras's very advanced age, do you really think signing him to a long-term contract was a good idea? He seems "old" all of a sudden, doesn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(cgaudin @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:15 PM) Define "mediocre"....That's middle of the pack, right? Somewhere in that range yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 12:15 AM) Given Contreras's very advanced age, do you really think signing him to a long-term contract was a good idea? Yes, I think he has 3 solid years in him. Of course, I do have concerns that he might require offseason surgery (same with Thome). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 good approach by Crede, they should have that approach against Rogers in every AB, no just when they're trying to move a runner along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:16 PM) Yup, with 4+ ERAs. Two aces! Better than the players that you wanted in your sig... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 12:16 AM) Broadway could come up and pitch a 6 ERA, and we'd save 9 million dollars on a pitcher with an ERA that's only 3/4 of a run worse than Buehrle. Not bad. Mark Buehrle won't have a 6 ERA for the entire season, especially in a contract year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:17 PM) Better than the players that you wanted in your sig... ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgaudin Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 06:16 PM) Broadway could come up and pitch a 6 ERA, and we'd save 9 million dollars on a pitcher with an ERA that's only 3/4 of a run worse than Buehrle. Not bad. At this point, they can get just about anybody and they'll do just as good (rather, just as bad!!!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxHawk1980 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 He seems "old" all of a sudden, doesn't he? Age catches up with you eventually. And he's 40+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:17 PM) Mark Buehrle won't have a 6 ERA for the entire season, especially in a contract year. He's not a guy with great stuff pitching like crap (Vasquez). Contract year isn't going to change the fact his stuff and approach are well known and not good enough to get legit major league hitters out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:11 PM) Broadway can't be any worse than Buehrle has been in 2007, and bringing him up, trading Garcia, and putting McCarthy in the pen gives us A TON of payroll flexibility while seeing what we have for the future. I'd MUCH rather do that then keep overpaid dead weight, wouldn't you? I wouldn't mind, personally, but I'd like to see how he fares in AAA. And how Buehrle recovers next season. Remember, we're attempting to replace a fresh arm with a starting pitcher typically among the league leaders in innings pitched. I doubt McCarthy will pitch 200 next season. Broadway couldn't be expected to, either. I'm not too comfortable with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 (edited) Great f***ing job Juan, we need that run you dumbs*** Edited August 23, 2006 by WHarris1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Way to pick up that run Juan, not like it matters or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 We're the worst team I've ever seen at protecting the plate with RISP. Enjoy your last 35+ games with the Sox Mr. Uribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:17 PM) Better than the players that you wanted in your sig... Smoltz and Schmidt are better than anyone on our staff. It's not even close, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Fathom, I hope you are right, but this is really getting to be a worry. I just logged on to MLB and see through 4 inning Buerhle has given up 7 hits and 2 walks plus 3 runs. Our offense hasn't done anything against Rogers yet, who has been getting racked by others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxHawk1980 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Yes, I think he has 3 solid years in him. Of course, I do have concerns that he might require offseason surgery (same with Thome). I think Contreras is likely around 41 right now and he has a TON of innings under his belt over his very long career in Cuba. I think all of those innings at a young age catch up with you. Typically being a 40 year old pitcher catches up with you. I doubt he has 3 years ahead of him that are good. I think he has DL stints, arm troubles and inconsistent pitching ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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