Should Rove take Armitage out back and beat his a**?

[EvilMonkey]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533384/site/newsweek/

 

Since both these guys knew who the real leaker was from the start (Armitage), and yet they spent a ton of money investigating Rove, and kept the fires of 'Fitzmas' going on for what seemed like forever, shouldn't Rove get to take both them out back and beat them senseless? Here you have a 'man' in Armitage who knows he is the guilty one. " Ford says Armitage admitted to him that he had "slipped up" and told Novak more than he should have. " Yet, he kept silent, and let someone who was not guilty of HIS crime spend time being investigated for something he didn't do. Then you have Fitsgereld himself, who investigated Armitage, but didn't do anything to him? If he lied about his role in the affair to Fits, why is he not now under purgery charges? If he didn't lie, why did Fitzgerald keep going when he had his man in Armitage? If you were charged with a robbery, and all the while it was your neighbor, and he had admitted it tom someone, but yet you still remained a subject of police investigation for months, you would be pretty pissed, yes? If some day they come out of a meeting and Armitage has a black eye, I don't think the reportes need to ask why. Oh, and while they are at it, Bush should just clear out the whole State Department from top to bottom. Powell, Armitage and Taft, the only three officials at the State Department who knew the story, never breathed a word of it publicly and Armitage's role remained secret. Fire all 3, and then keep going. Man, I hate politics.

 

 

Ok, you can begin the litiny of "Rove is the devil and belongs in jail anyways" or "But he confirmed it, which makes him just as guilty" or "Well, if not guilty of that, he is guilty of something" or "Rove made him do it" comments now. lets see how low into the partisan muck you will alll go.

Edited August 28, 2006 by EvilMonkey

[Balta1701]

Rove doesn't belong in jail if he wasn't the one who did the leaking and he never lied to the grand jury.

 

But it is darn interesting that as soon as someone else did the leaking, his first response was to go around spreading the information in an effort to do the smearing.

[EvilMonkey]

Rove doesn't belong in jail if he wasn't the one who did the leaking and he never lied to the grand jury.

 

But it is darn interesting that as soon as someone else did the leaking, his first response was to go around spreading the information in an effort to do the smearing.

Stay on topic. Rove didn't leak it, Armitage did. State knew about it and kept silent. Fitzgerald either knew about it and did nothing, or is a crappy special investigator and couldn't figure it out when 3 people or more from State knew about it. The liberal media ran with this like rabid dogs for months while Fitzgerald kept 'investigating' someone who dodn't do the 'crime'. Whether they acted on any information that became public or not is not relevant. They didn't make it public, which is what the whole big deal was about in the first place.

Edited August 28, 2006 by EvilMonkey

[NorthSideSox72]

Stay on topic. Rove didn't leak it, Armitage did. State knew about it and kept silent. Fitzgerald either knew about it and did nothing, or is a crappy special investigator and couldn't figure it out when 3 people or more from State knew about it. The liberal media ran with this like rabid dogs for months while Fitzgerald kept 'investigating' someone who dodn't do the 'crime'. Whether they acted on any information that became public or not is not relevant. They didn't make it public, which is what the whole big deal was about in the first place.

The "liberal" media ran with it because Rove is a bigger, easier target than Armitage (who probably some 5% of the country has even heard of).

 

I despise Karl Rove, but the thing is, he's really, really good at what he does. And its difficult to see anything illegal in his actions. if Armitage did the leaking... then yeah, Armitage deserves the beating.

[EvilMonkey]

The "liberal" media ran with it because Rove is a bigger, easier target than Armitage (who probably some 5% of the country has even heard of).

 

I despise Karl Rove, but the thing is, he's really, really good at what he does. And its difficult to see anything illegal in his actions. if Armitage did the leaking... then yeah, Armitage deserves the beating.

Well, you are right, all the media ran with it to an extent because yes, it is news when the President's advisor is under investigation. But as usual, some more than others.

[NorthSideSox72]

Well, you are right, all the media ran with it to an extent because yes, it is news when the President's advisor is under investigation. But as usual, some more than others.

Well yes. But what I was actually getting at is that they chose to go after Rove instead of Armitage because Rove is the higher value target.

[Rex Kickass]

If you recall correctly, Fitzgerald's first indictments were regarding Perjury, and not the actual leaking of the CIA operative. Why? Because in statements associated with the original indictments of Scooter Libby, Fitzgerald basically said that the testimony that he received was so full of BS, that it was impeding the actual investigation.

 

The story does implicate White House officials who did confirm the identity of Valerie Plame. And whether or not an actual leak came out of the mouth of Karl Rove, it was partially his political machinations that allowed the White House to try to use the identity of an undercover CIA agent in an attempt to discredit a critic of the administration. Legal or not, that's unacceptable - period. Legal or not, its at the very least deserving of a thorough investigation - one which a partisan Congress chose not to seriously exercise.

[EvilMonkey]

The story does implicate White House officials who did confirm the identity of Valerie Plame. And whether or not an actual leak came out of the mouth of Karl Rove, it was partially his political machinations that allowed the White House to try to use the identity of an undercover CIA agent in an attempt to discredit a critic of the administration. Legal or not, that's unacceptable - period. Legal or not, its at the very least deserving of a thorough investigation - one which a partisan Congress chose not to seriously exercise.

If it is legal, why investigate it? Seriously? A reporter might want to investigate it, but a special prosecutor? Even at MEdia Matters, they list his mandate as" As Media Matters for America noted, Fitzgerald was assigned with a broad mandate to investigate the alleged leak of Plame's identity as a CIA operative." Not whether or not Rove played dirty politics by using it to his side's advantage. In the end it was just a gossipy b!tch in Armitage who spilled the beans because he didn't like BushCo and wanted to seem important, and probably didn't realize the extent of what he had done. He then compounded it by keeping silent as another guy took the heat for HIS crime.

[Rex Kickass]

Actually if you read the story you cited, it says that White House officials, including Karl Rove, offered the SAME classified information to other reporters who chose not to use it, including Matt Cooper at Time and Judith Miller at the New York Times - who went to jail to protect her source which she made public as Scooter Libby. Whether that reporter prints the story or not, does not make a difference as to whether or not the leak was legal.

 

To say that because Rove didn't technically violate the law, he shouldn't have been investigated is false. He appeared to have been implicated by several reporters who had a source and did speak with the special prosecutor. If you remember correctly, they seemed to be the ones who pointed the investigation along the proper channels - since they were the ones talked to first.

 

And why doesn't our Attorney General take some blame here anyway? Our president said that whoever was responsible for this action would be fired. White House counsel knew where the leak may have lied from day one and did nothing to investigate that situation further. If this was an administration who actually cared about accountability for its own actions, it would have used that information to hold the leaker(s) responsible for their own actions.

[mr_genius]

The "liberal" media ran with it because Rove is a bigger, easier target than Armitage (who probably some 5% of the country has even heard of).

 

 

meh

 

not really a good reason to run with a bs story, but thats pretty much how things work in the media these days.

 

 

 

But what I was actually getting at is that they chose to go after Rove instead of Armitage because Rove is the higher value target.

 

 

true

 

most of the members of the big media (besides FOX) are Democrats. they would LOVE to see Mr.Rove go to jail. he's pretty much considered the anti-christ in left-wing circles.

[Cknolls]

meh

 

not really a good reason to run with a bs story, but thats pretty much how things work in the media these days.

true

 

most of the members of the big media (besides FOX) are Democrats. they would LOVE to see Mr.Rove go to jail. he's pretty much considered the anti-christ in left-wing circles.

 

 

Wonder if David Shuster is still waiting for the imminenet Rove indictment. LMAO Keep up the good work David and you could have your own show too!