Ozzie finally sees the light

[WCSox]

If Ozzie Guillen ever starts making baseball moves concerning line up changes, batting orders and personnel based on posts from this board he should be fired! B)

 

No kidding. I don't agree with everything the guy does, but I can't believe the level of scrutiny he's coming under. He's less than a year removed from delivering a championship and currently has the Sox in first in the Wild Card race and on pace to win 95 games despite incredibly mediocre starting pitching. Until his teams truly under-achieve for multiple years, I'm on his side.

Edited August 30, 2006 by WCSox

[Heads22]

Next year a lineup would look mighty nice with a new leadoff hitter, Brian second (he's hitting purely to get on base anyways) , Dye third.

 

SS2k,

 

If we did what this board wanted we wouldnt have:

 

Konerko

Garland

Dye

Vazquez

 

 

 

Contreras

 

Anderson

 

Crede

 

Uribe

 

Iguchi

 

AJ

 

Thornton

 

Jenks

 

 

 

 

 

A rummage through the archives shows just how much we hate this team, I guess.

[Kalapse]

What would you give up to get either of these? Broadway + _______ & maybe _________?

For Crawford? Anything they want, they can take anyone from the minor league system and any prospects the Sox pickup after dealing Garcia and Podsednik. Crawford would turn the Sox into an offensive jugernaut.

 

For Baldelli, much less, I love him and all and he'd be a great fit in LF for the team but I'm not going to give them anything near what I'd give up for Crawford. Rocco just has not proven he can stay healthy.

[Heads22]

For Baldelli, much less, I love him and all and he'd be a great fit in LF for the team but I'm not going to give them anything near what I'd give up for Crawford. Rocco just has not proven he can stay healthy.

 

 

 

Then again, neither could Dye. I'm not saying the two are even close, but it's just something. Maybe a change of scenery would do him some good. He'd look mighty nice in LF.

[Soxbadger]

Heads.

 

I was gonna list more but I wasnt sure how bad people reacted to them.

 

Garland I feel has gotten the worst, where people just basically wanted to give him away for most of his career. Then next is Dye aka "Dead".

 

Its just hilarious to always read these "X needs to get traded" threads.

[vandy125]

If the guys in front of him get on base, there would be more opportunties to do hit-and-run and be more aggressive with Dye at the plate. He makes contact and puts the ball in play at a higher rate than Thome does.

 

Thome is actually the worst on the team at putting the ball in play (about 70%, watch out when he does get a hold of a pitch though). Dye does it at about a 79% clip (This is based on (AB + SAC - K) / (AB + SAC)

 

AB-----SF-----K------BIP %--------Player

115----1------11-----0.905172414--Gload

458----7------47-----0.898924731--Crede

146----2------15-----0.898648649--Ozuna

62-----1------7------0.888888889--Sandy

424----4------54-----0.873831776--Pierz

241----2------31-----0.872427984--Cintron

376----11-----62-----0.839793282--Uribe

446----11-----83-----0.818380744--Pods

467----7------88-----0.814345992--Kong

461----7------92-----0.803418803--Iguchi

441----6------95-----0.787472036--Dye

290----3------72-----0.754266212--BA

405----5------120----0.707317073--Thome

[WCSox]

For Crawford? Anything they want, they can take anyone from the minor league system and any prospects the Sox pickup after dealing Garcia and Podsednik. Crawford would turn the Sox into an offensive jugernaut.

 

Crawford would also require that KW deal B-Mac. No thanks. I don't think that the Sox are going to get much in terms of prospects for Garcia and Pods (especially considering how much the Sox owe Freddy next season). And if the D-Rays didn't think that Ervin Santana was enough for Crawford, Crawford-for-Sox-prospects is highly unlikely.

[Kalapse]

Then again, neither could Dye. I'm not saying the two are even close, but it's just something. Maybe a change of scenery would do him some good. He'd look mighty nice in LF.

Rocco's situation is much different than Dye's, just look at the nature of the injuries. Dye's have mainly been freak injuries, following balls off his shin has been his main problem as well as the spiderbite fiasco. Rocco on the other hand relies on his speed, without that he's nothing, he missed 230 games over 2 seasons because of a knee injury and since comming back this year in July he's missed games because of a hip injury and is fighting a nagging hamstring even now. I'm not really sure how a change of scenery is going to keep him from f***ing up his legs any further.

[fathom]

I've always heard that Rocco might end up in Boston.

[Kalapse]

Crawford would also require that KW deal B-Mac. No thanks. I don't think that the Sox are going to get much in terms of prospects for Garcia and Pods (especially considering how much the Sox owe Freddy next season). And if the D-Rays didn't think that Ervin Santana was enough for Crawford, Crawford-for-Sox-prospects is highly unlikely.

Garcia is only due $10M next year which really isn't all that much for a guy of Freddy's "stature" they'll get a very good package of prospects from an NL team, I'm certain of it.

[NorthSideSox72]

If the guys in front of him get on base, there would be more opportunties to do hit-and-run and be more aggressive with Dye at the plate. He makes contact and puts the ball in play at a higher rate than Thome does.

 

Thome is actually the worst on the team at putting the ball in play (about 70%, watch out when he does get a hold of a pitch though). Dye does it at about a 79% clip (This is based on (AB + SAC - K) / (AB + SAC)

 

AB-----SF-----K------BIP %--------Player

115----1------11-----0.905172414--Gload

458----7------47-----0.898924731--Crede

146----2------15-----0.898648649--Ozuna

62-----1------7------0.888888889--Sandy

424----4------54-----0.873831776--Pierz

241----2------31-----0.872427984--Cintron

376----11-----62-----0.839793282--Uribe

446----11-----83-----0.818380744--Pods

467----7------88-----0.814345992--Kong

461----7------92-----0.803418803--Iguchi

441----6------95-----0.787472036--Dye

290----3------72-----0.754266212--BA

405----5------120----0.707317073--Thome

 

Except BIP ignores walks and HBP, and Thome walks a lot. This measure isn't necessarily helpful. Walks are just fine and dandy with people on, and sometimes are better than putting the ball in play (since BIP includes all outs other than Ks).

[WCSox]

Garcia is only due $10M next year which really isn't all that much for a guy of Freddy's "stature" they'll get a very good package of prospects from an NL team, I'm certain of it.

 

It's a lot for a guy who is on the down-slope of his career, recently lost 5 mph off of his fastball, and has been pitching like crap all season. I could see the Mets giving up some decent players for him, but only because Minaya has an open checkbook with the new Mets network revenue allowing them to over-pay. But outside of NY, he's not going to be worth enough to get a prospect on B-Mac's level. I wouldn't be surprised if KW had to eat some of Freddy's salary.

[VAfan]

If the guys in front of him get on base, there would be more opportunties to do hit-and-run and be more aggressive with Dye at the plate. He makes contact and puts the ball in play at a higher rate than Thome does.

 

Thome is actually the worst on the team at putting the ball in play (about 70%, watch out when he does get a hold of a pitch though). Dye does it at about a 79% clip (This is based on (AB + SAC - K) / (AB + SAC)

 

AB-----SF-----K------BIP %--------Player

115----1------11-----0.905172414--Gload

458----7------47-----0.898924731--Crede

146----2------15-----0.898648649--Ozuna

62-----1------7------0.888888889--Sandy

424----4------54-----0.873831776--Pierz

241----2------31-----0.872427984--Cintron

376----11-----62-----0.839793282--Uribe

446----11-----83-----0.818380744--Pods

467----7------88-----0.814345992--Kong

461----7------92-----0.803418803--Iguchi

441----6------95-----0.787472036--Dye

290----3------72-----0.754266212--BA

405----5------120----0.707317073--Thome

 

 

I posted before the season I thought Ozzie should hit Dye #3, and that was before we all realized how good he really is. And I didn't even have to make the argument above, though it is a good one.

[The Ginger Kid]

I would prefer to have Dye hit behind the two guys with .400 OBPs.

me too. I thought Jimmy did a great job in the 3 hole. Had JD not gotten so hot the last two weeks this wouldn't even be an issue.

[qwerty]

Dye into the three hole is a non-move.

 

Rocco's situation is much different than Dye's, just look at the nature of the injuries. Dye's have mainly been freak injuries, following balls off his shin has been his main problem as well as the spiderbite fiasco. Rocco on the other hand relies on his speed, without that he's nothing, he missed 230 games over 2 seasons because of a knee injury and since comming back this year in July he's missed games because of a hip injury and is fighting a nagging hamstring even now. I'm not really sure how a change of scenery is going to keep him from f***ing up his legs any further.

 

You cannot really say he wouldn't be anything without speed. Players who fit that description are gathright ( who is awful even with speed)... taveras... podsednik... etc. Baldelli has shown great potential and has shown he can hit at any level he is at... not to mention his defense is a big plus. Sooner rather than later he is gonna have a big season (.900+ ops out of a center is what i am saying).

Edited August 30, 2006 by qwerty

[cgaudin]

me too. I thought Jimmy did a great job in the 3 hole. Had JD not gotten so hot the last two weeks this wouldn't even be an issue.

 

Other than the fact that if they start a left hander, the first inning is effectively forfeited, 'cause Pods, Gooch, and Thome can't touch the ball, if only by accident.

[southsider2k5]

Rocco's situation is much different than Dye's, just look at the nature of the injuries. Dye's have mainly been freak injuries, following balls off his shin has been his main problem as well as the spiderbite fiasco. Rocco on the other hand relies on his speed, without that he's nothing, he missed 230 games over 2 seasons because of a knee injury and since comming back this year in July he's missed games because of a hip injury and is fighting a nagging hamstring even now. I'm not really sure how a change of scenery is going to keep him from f***ing up his legs any further.

 

I don't know if Baldelli is still hurt or not, but he looked god awful in CF... I am talking worse than Pods. Then again a pulled hammy shouldn't make you drop baseballs that hit your in the palm of the glove.

[Kalapse]

I don't know if Baldelli is still hurt or not, but he looked god awful in CF... I am talking worse than Pods. Then again a pulled hammy shouldn't make you drop baseballs that hit your in the palm of the glove.

Well, he's barely played organized baseball over the past few seasons so a little defensive rust is to be expected. Rocco is one of the better defensive CF in baseball, I'd compare his defensive ability to that of Grady Sizemore when Baldelli is fully healthy.