Steff Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 QUOTE(vandy125 @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 07:43 AM) Ummm...I don't think that I have ever posted about Frank being or not being a cancer. IMO, from what I have heard, I do not think that he was a cancer at all, and he is still one of my favorite ball players. I grew up watching Frank, and he was what turned me into a Sox fan early on. So, thanks for dismissing my "call". Apologies. I mixed you up with Dixie Normus on the cancer call. Common sense dismisses the other call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 15, 2006 Author Share Posted September 15, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 05:31 AM) Well.. he did also say he consulted with his (at the time) 3 month old kid about the decision to stay... well... that must be one smart-ass kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandy125 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 07:54 AM) Apologies. I mixed you up with Dixie Normus on the cancer call. Common sense dismisses the other call. Actually, that is only common sense if you have more information about the player's situation than someone like myself does (as you do). What may seem like common sense to you, is not common sense to others because you have more information. Your information and knowledge of the situation would actually be what dismisses the other call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 10:31 AM) Well.. he did also say he consulted with his (at the time) 3 month old kid about the decision to stay... That's not important. You know what you can do with your inside information, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S720 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Sep 14, 2006 -> 09:03 PM) UPDATE Frank Thomas .280, 36, 98 17 games remaining Jim Thome .291, 39, 99 16 games remaining Thanks for the update Steve. I don't want to go through the 7 pages, but has anyone mentioned about the LEFT-HANDED hitter factor that we sorely needed. Thome makes our hitting lineup much more balanced. This doesn't mean that I am dissing Frank. I wish Frank can retire as a White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 QUOTE(S720 @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 09:48 AM) Thanks for the update Steve. I don't want to go through the 7 pages, but has anyone mentioned about the LEFT-HANDED hitter factor that we sorely needed. Thome makes our hitting lineup much more balanced. This doesn't mean that I am dissing Frank. I wish Frank can retire as a White Sox. Several hundred times... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 QUOTE(S720 @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 02:48 PM) Thanks for the update Steve. I don't want to go through the 7 pages, but has anyone mentioned about the LEFT-HANDED hitter factor that we sorely needed. Thome makes our hitting lineup much more balanced. This doesn't mean that I am dissing Frank. I wish Frank can retire as a White Sox. Yep. Frank would be more valuable than Thome on a team like Minnesota, for instance. You could put him in between Mauer and Morneau. But on the Sox, Thome makes much more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Dixie Normus Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 QUOTE(MSHAWKS @ Sep 13, 2006 -> 12:18 AM) If they're so well documented why don't you rehash them? Because they're a figment of your shallow imagination. Shallow imagination? I think you suffer from idol worship induced memory loss. In spring training 2000, a public shouting match between Thomas and manager Jerry Manuel. He repeatedly bashed the club in the press for thier failure to retain Ventura and Belle. Clashed with both teammates and management for his unwillingness to play through an ankle injury. Refused to play first base wanting to DH so he could "concentrate on hitting". (ME FIRST!!!) Thomas/Williams/Reinsdorf Thomas, while a great player, was never a team guy. It boils down to this. If Frank Thomas plays with the 2006 CWS, Konerko is an Angel. I will take Paulie over the childish, selfish antics and no-show in the post season (.231 career post season BA), Frank Thomas every day of the week. I am done with this pissing match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 QUOTE(My Dixie Normus @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 04:34 PM) Shallow imagination? I think you suffer from idol worship induced memory loss. In spring training 2000, a public shouting match between Thomas and manager Jerry Manuel. He repeatedly bashed the club in the press for thier failure to retain Ventura and Belle. Clashed with both teammates and management for his unwillingness to play through an ankle injury. Refused to play first base wanting to DH so he could "concentrate on hitting". (ME FIRST!!!) Thomas/Williams/Reinsdorf Thomas, while a great player, was never a team guy. It boils down to this. If Frank Thomas plays with the 2006 CWS, Konerko is an Angel. I will take Paulie over the childish, selfish antics and no-show in the post season (.231 career post season BA), Frank Thomas every day of the week. I am done with this pissing match. No links I see. But for s***s and giggles... 1. Yep, Frank and his manager got into a pissing match. A manager the entire team hated... and a manager that wore egg on his face when Frank's injury came to light. 2. Questioning managements decision to break up a team that had the ability to be a postseason powerhouse... clearly cancerous behavior. :rolleyes 3. An injury that ended up being valid and nearly ended his career... 4. Wanted to be a DH because he knew, and told the team, that his injury was a hinderance to him playing 1st to the best of his ability... 5. Frank and Jerry are closer than most fathers and sons - Williams hated that relationship because Jerry always put Frank ahead of Kenny Thomas was ALWAYS a team and fan guy. NEVER a management or leader guy. Big difference. Frank Thomas isn't with the 2006 Sox, so what exactly was your point of, incorrectly by the facts, calling him out? You're wise to be done. That puddle is just about at your ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosox41 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 06:04 PM) No links I see. But for s***s and giggles... 1. Yep, Frank and his manager got into a pissing match. A manager the entire team hated... and a manager that wore egg on his face when Frank's injury came to light. 2. Questioning managements decision to break up a team that had the ability to be a postseason powerhouse... clearly cancerous behavior. :rolleyes 3. An injury that ended up being valid and nearly ended his career... 4. Wanted to be a DH because he knew, and told the team, that his injury was a hinderance to him playing 1st to the best of his ability... 5. Frank and Jerry are closer than most fathers and sons - Williams hated that relationship because Jerry always put Frank ahead of Kenny Thomas was ALWAYS a team and fan guy. NEVER a management or leader guy. Big difference. Frank Thomas isn't with the 2006 Sox, so what exactly was your point of, incorrectly by the facts, calling him out? You're wise to be done. That puddle is just about at your ears. Exactly. Wasn't it J who stepped in and renegotiated Frank's contract after KW exerciesed the diminished skills clause? Frank gets a bad rap, but most of it is due to his inability to handle the media. All the incidents mentioned earlier painted Frank as the bad guy, but there was more to each of them. Frank should just speak with his bat. Which reminds me of a quote, by either KW or Ozzie. Now that Frank has played in 2 consecutive games, is he free to talk now? Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Dixie Normus Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 (edited) You love Frank, I get it. I don't and have listed several reasons why. I appreciate what he did on the field but the Sox are better off with Thome. I did not state anything incorrectly. All of those things I mentioned happened. You excuse them. One or two... yeah but over his entire career here he was about what was good for Frank over the team. And what link would I give you that you would not blame some type of media bias? Edited September 16, 2006 by My Dixie Normus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 QUOTE(My Dixie Normus @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 07:24 PM) You love Frank, I get it. I don't and have listed several reasons why. I appreciate what he did on the field but the Sox are better off with Thome. I did not state anything incorrectly. All of those things I mentioned happened. You excuse them. One or two... yeah but over his entire career here he was about what was good for Frank over the team. And what link would I give you that you would not blame some type of media bias? This has been repeatedly denied by his teammates over and over and over, over the years. I don't "love" Frank. I respect his ability. And that ability is well documented to be highly respected by his peers. That in itself disputes your OPINION on his behavior in the clubhouse. What does who the Sox are better with now have anything to do with you slandering him? Yes, they happened - someone say they didn't? Your logic behind why that happened is incorrect... from the mouths of his very own teammates, the injury, etc, etc... I didn't excuse anything. Did Paul Konerko apologize? Did a doctor tell Frank to "take it easy and not run" in spring training? Did Frank end up having a major injury that hurt his play at 1B? Yes, yes, and yes. There is no media bias. Frank hates the media and they returned the favor in kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Well, Frank has embarrassed the hell out of Ozzie, KW, Thome, and the Sox this series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Right now there is no argument. Thomas >>>>>>>>> Thome. Right now, Devil Rays DH Greg Norton >>> Thome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnhillegas Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 16, 2006 -> 06:08 AM) This has been repeatedly denied by his teammates over and over and over, over the years. I don't "love" Frank. I respect his ability. And that ability is well documented to be highly respected by his peers. That in itself disputes your OPINION on his behavior in the clubhouse. What does who the Sox are better with now have anything to do with you slandering him? Yes, they happened - someone say they didn't? Your logic behind why that happened is incorrect... from the mouths of his very own teammates, the injury, etc, etc... I didn't excuse anything. Did Paul Konerko apologize? Did a doctor tell Frank to "take it easy and not run" in spring training? Did Frank end up having a major injury that hurt his play at 1B? Yes, yes, and yes. There is no media bias. Frank hates the media and they returned the favor in kind. DBTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Funny how this thread kind of slowed after this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 17, 2006 -> 07:03 PM) Funny how this thread kind of slowed after this weekend. ^^^ I'm so happy for Frank. That's how you get back at someone who, IMO, mistreated you. You lose, Kenny/Ozzie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 What a predictable capper to our strange letdown of a season. Chants of MVP, MVP as Frank beats us in two of the games. My gawd. I hope next season is better. Remember Boston at least made the playoffs after winning the WS. Then they had a worse year this year. We did not follow it up with a playoff berth. Hope we can rebound next year. As fathom said ... Frank embarrassed everybody in the sox organization this weekend. he got the last word. Good for the Big Hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 17, 2006 -> 09:39 PM) What a predictable capper to our strange letdown of a season. Chants of MVP, MVP as Frank beats us in two of the games. My gawd. I hope next season is better. Remember Boston at least made the playoffs after winning the WS. Then they had a worse year this year. We did not follow it up with a playoff berth. Hope we can rebound next year. As fathom said ... Frank embarrassed everybody in the sox organization this weekend. he got the last word. Good for the Big Hurt. I think Kalapse said it in another thread, and I've been saying it for about two months. This season will go down as the most dissapointing in recent memory. Only the '94 season compares, IMO. This team simply fell apart starting with that last series with Boston going into the break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Sep 17, 2006 -> 09:46 PM) I think Kalapse said it in another thread, and I've been saying it for about two months. This season will go down as the most dissapointing in recent memory. Only the '94 season compares, IMO. This team simply fell apart starting with that last series with Boston going into the break. I am waiting to hear KW speak about it the day after the regular season ends. Because I remember him getitng livid when Carlos Lee and Jose Valentin did the same thing swinging for the fences with RISP and less than 2 outs. Now we have a team filled with guys doing the same thing. He hates this kind of crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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