Felix Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 03:58 PM) If we got one of their better prospects in the deal included I wouldnt mind it one bit. But staight up that deal is extremely lopsided. Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one ever said it would be straight up. By the way, I'd very opposed to this suggestion of trading Crede. Edited September 12, 2006 by Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 02:04 PM) By the way, I'd very opposed to this suggestion of trading Crede. What would it take to change your mind? I wouldn't think about it for Figgins...but the Angels do have a ton of young talent that I'd love to get my hands on. Brandon Wood would look awfully good at Shortstop here in a year or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Joe is not going anywhere. Why do you think KW and Ozzie want Fields to learn how to play LF this year in winter ball? If KW gets another LF/CF it will be through free agency. The one guy I do expect to be traded this offseason is Uribe. Don't be surprised to see a Uribe/Garcia deal for a Rollins type player. Fields also provides some speed, so i can see him as our starting LFer in 2007. Rollins, Gooch, Dye, Thome, PK, AJ, Crede, Anderson, Fields Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 09:04 PM) Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one ever said it would be straight up. By the way, I'd very opposed to this suggestion of trading Crede. Well the article unless I missed it never said that prospects would be involved either.... so thats where im taking it from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 04:21 PM) What would it take to change your mind? I wouldn't think about it for Figgins...but the Angels do have a ton of young talent that I'd love to get my hands on. Brandon Wood would look awfully good at Shortstop here in a year or two. What about a package of Figgins, Wood, Adenhart and Cabrera for Crede and Uribe. Wood will end up either at SS or third long term and could be a replacement for Joe is Fields does not pan out. Cabrera can play SS for a little while until either Wood or Valido is ready, plus the Angels have Erick Aybar who can be their next SS. Figgins could spell Fields at third, Iguchi at second, Sweeney in LF and Anderson in CF. It would give us a solid backup CF finally. Crede would be missed, but if the Sox could make that deal, I would be ok with it. QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 04:30 PM) Well the article unless I missed it never said that prospects would be involved either.... so thats where im taking it from. The article talks about Figgins being part of a package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 You don't trade Joew Crede, or any other major and solid piece of your ballclub and open up a hole just to fill some other hole. Joe Crede is an all-star caliber gold glove third baseman. If you need outfielders look within the organization or sign a free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 QUOTE(IowaSoxFan @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 02:30 PM) What about a package of Figgins, Wood, Adenhart and Cabrera for Crede and Uribe. Wood will end up either at SS or third long term and could be a replacement for Joe is Fields does not pan out. Cabrera can play SS for a little while until either Wood or Valido is ready, plus the Angels have Erick Aybar who can be their next SS. Figgins could spell Fields at third, Iguchi at second, Sweeney in LF and Anderson in CF. It would give us a solid backup CF finally. Crede would be missed, but if the Sox could make that deal, I would be ok with it. If you could get that much for those 2, that would be absolute dynamite...but I think you're asking too much when you stick Adenhart and Wood in the same deal. We might be able to get them to part with 1 of those 2 in a deal involving Crede...but I just can't see them letting go of both. They're too protective of their prospects for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 04:33 PM) If you could get that much for those 2, that would be absolute dynamite...but I think you're asking too much when you stick Adenhart and Wood in the same deal. We might be able to get them to part with 1 of those 2 in a deal involving Crede...but I just can't see them letting go of both. They're too protective of their prospects for that. I agree, but if they want Joe, the price should be that high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 04:26 PM) Im going to pull a Flash here. Our system needs some help. Big time. If LA is willing to give a huge package(Liriano-esc) then you pull the trigger. You get a filler for Crede in Figgins, and also get some reinforcements for the future. However, like I said earlier, this is nothing more than a writer coming up with an idea just like all of us do, and seeing what happens.... As much as i would love to pull of a Liriano Heist, i doubt that will happen with the LAA, they're incredibly high on their prospects and tend to know what they have except with turnbow and jenks . But honestly i would be very opposed to trading Crede, we waited this long for him to come around and now that he has we should lock him up long term bad back and all. As for our leadoff hitter/LF next year why not let it emerge from our own system? Fields/Sweeney, both are going to winter ball, and KW has said Fields will be playing LF this winter. I think ST competion of Fields/Sweeney for LF and Leadoff would be great, Fields needs to cut down on his SO (136SO/54BB), but he could be an offensive weapon 28SB/5CS, 19 HR, 4 3B, 32 2B, .305 Avg, What does everyone think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 04:21 PM) What would it take to change your mind? A deal that would actually be somewhat fair, rather than trading one of the best 3B in the AL for crap. QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 04:30 PM) Well the article unless I missed it never said that prospects would be involved either.... so thats where im taking it from. The article says Figgins would be part of a package, meaning not a straight up deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 QUOTE(beautox @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 02:35 PM) As much as i would love to pull of a Liriano Heist, i doubt that will happen with the LAA, they're incredibly high on their prospects and tend to know what they have except with turnbow and jenks . But honestly i would be very opposed to trading Crede, we waited this long for him to come around and now that he has we should lock him up long term bad back and all. As for our leadoff hitter/LF next year why not let it emerge from our own system? Fields/Sweeney, both are going to winter ball, and KW has said Fields will be playing LF this winter. I think ST competion of Fields/Sweeney for LF and Leadoff would be great, Fields needs to cut down on his SO (136SO/54BB), but he could be an offensive weapon 28SB/5CS, 19 HR, 4 3B, 32 2B, .305 Avg, What does everyone think? Let me put it this way...If we were to be coming off back to back world series championships...I would hate to see the White Sox risk starting off a season with the combination of Fields and Sweeney in LF, regardless of how they perform in winterball. If we don't win this season though...then we're no longer looking to 3-peat. At which point, I become more willing to see what our young guys actually can give us, and I also become more willing to take risks in other places, i.e. dealing 2 starters and sticking Haeger into the rotation alongside McCarthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 I love Joe Crede but one thing KW has shown is that he's not sentimental. After Joe's breakout year and his spectacular post-season, he's going to demand top dollar and Boras is going to make damn sure that he gets it. Seeing that he's the last Boras thorn in KW's side left, if I were a betting man I'd bet that KW will publicly praise Crede and all he's done but he'll be shipping him--and his Boras issue--out the door, to fill holes. I'm prepping myself for that fact right now. The only "X" factor is: how many pieces of a world championship team are you willing to take out? Assuming Crede, Pods and Uribe are goners, that's a lot of chemistry-changing. But even that I don't think will be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 04:40 PM) Let me put it this way...If we were to be coming off back to back world series championships...I would hate to see the White Sox risk starting off a season with the combination of Fields and Sweeney in LF, regardless of how they perform in winterball. If we don't win this season though...then we're no longer looking to 3-peat. At which point, I become more willing to see what our young guys actually can give us, and I also become more willing to take risks in other places, i.e. dealing 2 starters and sticking Haeger into the rotation alongside McCarthy. i'm coming with the same logic if we make it to the WS and win it, then we deal for rollins or sign lugo, and then put sweeney/fields in the 9 hole anderson up to the 8, i think thats a pretty good turn over at the bottom of the batting order, its athletic/fast. Regardless of if we win it or not this coming offseason Garcia Pods Uribe all need to go and if Jose goes on another amazing run and we still fall short i'm all for trading him provided we get the right deal in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgtp Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Cred will be here for a cple more years. Too much time invested in him to let him walk. He is a gold glove at 3rd and his offense is finally up to par with his defense. Sill of this orginization to let him walk. FOCK Boras. I dont thik he will dictate what crede does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 QUOTE(alexgtp @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 02:51 PM) Cred will be here for a cple more years. Too much time invested in him to let him walk. He is a gold glove at 3rd and his offense is finally up to par with his defense. Sill of this orginization to let him walk. FOCK Boras. I dont thik he will dictate what crede does. Talking about making a deal to get solid talent for Crede is not the same as letting him walk. (Trading him for Figgins alone is pretty close to that though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 FWIW, this same exact team will be together again next year. If Crede puts up another monster season after this season, not only will his value likely remain the same(it would be higher if he were signed past '07, but he is a free agent after the '08 season, and he is a Boras client). Crede probably isn't at his highest value yet. Why would KW trade him? KW has a tendency to trade players at their highest value(the Lee trade, the Young trade), or when they have not yet reached their lowest value(why Garcia is likely gone after this season, the Rowand trade), and to trade for players at their lowest(Thome, Contreras). KW just does not trade players whose value is rising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 What are these guys making. How can anyone make a judgement without comparing contracts. We deal Crede and take that money to buy a third baseman who can play great defense, hit for average with above average power, and as an added bonus, maybe have a propensity for walk off homeruns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 the sox wouldn't trade Crede for Figgins. It's just the LA writer trying to fill the Angels hole at 3B with Crede. Joe won't be going anywhere for the next two yrs. And likely will be resigned before then. Figgins though could be traded by LA. What they would want or need, and if the sox have a fit, who knows. But Figgins could see a regular role on the Sox with Sweeney and Anderson splitting time in LF and CF. Of course, Mackowiak could be the odd man out. But he has value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosox41 Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 09:52 AM) Crede for Figgins is just too much like Lee for Pods in terms of ability. I just can't see KW and JR wanting to get rid of Crede though. I think the Sox will trade Garcia to the Angels for a package including Chone Figgins. I can see them trading Crede to a different team for pitching. Not that i want to see Crede go, but if he's unsignable then in the right situation he should be traded. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 QUOTE(gosox41 @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 05:00 PM) I think the Sox will trade Garcia to the Angels for a package including Chone Figgins. I can see them trading Crede to a different team for pitching. Not that i want to see Crede go, but if he's unsignable then in the right situation he should be traded. Bob The Angels really don't have much need for Freddy Garcia right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 09:50 AM) Irwin Santana lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Because I know somebody is going to go there... Crede failed against a pitcher who has not allowed a run in 29 straight outings. Figgins succeeded against a pitcher who has allowed in a run in each of his last 4 outings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 I can't imagine anybody dying to get Freddie right now. Not bagging on him. I know he's had some gutty outings of late, but he, Jose and Mark haven't been too dandy the second half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Chone Figgins is just barely better then Podsednik. Figgins can at least run, can swith hit, and play multiple positions and the OF better then Podsednik. Maybe I'd like a trade for Howie Kendrick and Scott Shields for Crede, or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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