mr_genius Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 10:54 PM) Well remember the formula that everyone forgets. If Thomas is here, he isnt playing for 500k, and Konerko is an Angel. Thome+Konerko is better than Thomas. Frank would have stayed for less than you think IMO he would have signed a 1 year 2 mil deal for sure. no one else wanted him. we keep Konerko in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 10:52 PM) Someone asked me this question the other day, and I wasn't sure what the answer would be: would the Sox have been better this year if they would have basically kept last year's team in tact? I will say that keeping Thomas looks like a good move only in hindsight so you can't blame KW for anything there. I wouldn't want last year's team kept in tact but the money/prospects spent in the Thome & Vazquez trades could have been better utilized by keeping Thomas and upgrading somewhere else. If Rowand is still on the team, we're not having too many "Ozzie is an idiot" discussions. There wouldn't be a platoon. (Still, this is all in hindsight). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 10:52 PM) Someone asked me this question the other day, and I wasn't sure what the answer would be: would the Sox have been better this year if they would have basically kept last year's team in tact? Well it's likely the pitching would have performed the same way they did to start this year, now could last year's offense carry this team for 5 months of the season like it has this year? Would Frank have the same motivation to succeed that he does with the A's, would he have stayed healthy? How would the clubhouse attitude work with KW/Ozzie/Frank coexisting for the entire season seeing how they seemingly hate eachother? Would Crede and Dye be having the year they're having with Thomas/Everett in the lineup as opposed to Thome? It is an interesting topic regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 The appendage aware manager just put in a lefty who cant get lefties out and has control problems. I figure the end result will be a walk, a hit batsman or a dong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tealeafreaderii Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 10:57 PM) Jon has been bad, but worked his ass off. Let him finish. I cant beleive this. his pitch count is up there though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 16, 2006 -> 03:57 AM) It is an interesting topic regardless. Yeah, and I don't mean to accuse KW of messing up this team. Personally, I think he improved the team during the offseason. However, some of our luck from last year is gone, and a bigger KW mistake was not improving our LF play at the deadline and his lack of a 4th outfielder who could play LF and CF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 QUOTE(S720 @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 10:55 PM) No, you are not wrong. If we had Frank in the first half instead of Thome, we will NEVER in this race. We would be too far off to contend. Remember Thome was a MONSTER in the first half. He really carried our team before the AS break. Having Thome's left bat balances our lineup; unfortunately, it has not helped our team tonight! not really. the whole team was killing during the NL stretch. now when we need a big hitter Frank is on fire and Thome is cold. kinda sucks we ran the best hitter in Sox history out of town. just my opinion though (obviously) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Cotts in = game over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 QUOTE(tealeafreaderii @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 10:58 PM) his pitch count is up there though... Thats something you will never see with our team. We never battle with 2 strikes. Its either dong or death with 2 strikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxHawk1980 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 I love seeing Cotts come in with runners on base in a close game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 10:57 PM) Well it's likely the pitching would have performed the same way they did to start this year, now could last year's offense carry this team for 5 months of the season like it has this year? Would Frank have the same motivation to succeed that he does with the A's, would he have stayed healthy? How would the clubhouse attitude work with KW/Ozzie/Frank coexisting for the entire season seeing how they seemingly hate eachother? Would Crede and Dye be having the year they're having with Thomas/Everett in the lineup as opposed to Thome? It is an interesting topic regardless. Yeah, Frank going to Oakland was a good kick in the ass for him, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 16, 2006 -> 03:59 AM) Thats something you will never see with our team. We never battle with 2 strikes. Its either dong or death with 2 strikes. At least our offense has made games become quick lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 2 strikes and Cotts is at a disadvantage because he is a one pitch pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Cotts is just in so Ozzie can see who he can trust later this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Sep 16, 2006 -> 03:59 AM) Yeah, Frank going to Oakland was a good kick in the ass for him, imo. How about the fact the A's play with a swagger/confidence in the 2nd half of the year, and the Sox seem to always go into their swoon? The funny thing is that Thome has always been considered a great 2nd half player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 10:56 PM) I will say that keeping Thomas looks like a good move only in hindsight so you can't blame KW for anything there. of course. like i said, i thought it was a great move at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Sep 16, 2006 -> 04:00 AM) Cotts is just in so Ozzie can see who he can trust later this year... That confidence will do him wonders....when he's trying to pick up girls this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tealeafreaderii Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 10:57 PM) The appendage aware manager just put in a lefty who cant get lefties out and has control problems. I figure the end result will be a walk, a hit batsman or a dong. As McLaughlin would say…. “WRONG” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 At some point if we get the lead, can we please take prancer out of LF and put Anderson into CF. Watching flyballs go into the OF makes me wan to vomit. QUOTE(tealeafreaderii @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 11:01 PM) As McLaughlin would say…. “WRONG” Even with a sure thing like Marte in 05 against a lefty sometimes Cotts can get a lefty out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 QUOTE(mr_genius @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 11:00 PM) of course. like i said, i thought it was a great move at the time. We'll see how he does next year too. I don't see him having two really good years in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Chavez is literally playing PK right down the 3b line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Everyone of our hitters are 0-2. Maybe if we stop trying to park every single pitch we might have a chance to center up Johan tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 PK you stud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Ah...the PK shoulder shrug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 10:57 PM) Well it's likely the pitching would have performed the same way they did to start this year, now could last year's offense carry this team for 5 months of the season like it has this year? Would Frank have the same motivation to succeed that he does with the A's, would he have stayed healthy? How would the clubhouse attitude work with KW/Ozzie/Frank coexisting for the entire season seeing how they seemingly hate eachother? Would Crede and Dye be having the year they're having with Thomas/Everett in the lineup as opposed to Thome? It is an interesting topic regardless. i think Frank would have put up these numbers with the Sox. He seems like the kind of player that would be hungry for more than one title. Frank is the type of player that wants to be remember as an all-time great and he knows back to back world series rings would help solidify that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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