Garland ready for "Whatever"

[DBAHO]

Interesting read;

 

Jon Garland doesn't expect to be traded, but the White Sox pitcher wouldn't be surprised if a deal happened, either.

It's considered a foregone conclusion the Sox will move one of their starting five during the offseason to make room for Brandon McCarthy in the 2007 rotation.

 

Though Garland has been the Sox's most consistent pitcher this year — he's 17-6 with a 4.37 ERA — and is just 26 years old, the right-hander isn't taking anything for granted.

 

"This year they might not even think about it, might not even talk about it, and 'boom,' I'm the guy that's gone," Garland said. "Whatever happens, happens ...

 

"You never know. You never know. It's a business. You never know what's going to happen. Sometimes you think you're not going to go anywhere and you do; sometimes you think you're going to and you don't. You never know.

 

"If anything happens in the offseason with me, that's a move they feel they have to make. If it somebody else, it's a move they feel they need to make."

 

Since he made his big-league debut with the Sox in 2000, Garland's name has come up in trade rumors nearly every year, whether it be during the offseason or near the trade deadline.

 

The fact he's probably the favorite of the five to stay in the rotation — considering his age, his 35-16 combined record the last two seasons and the three-year contract he signed last offseason, which calls for him to get $10 million in 2007 and $12 million in '08 — even with all of that, Garland is expecting the unexpected.

 

"There's always rumors, big rumors, like, 'You're the guy,' and all of a sudden it's someone people aren't even talking about," Garland said. "I think every offseason, every year I've been with the White Sox, there have been trade rumors with me.

 

"Every offseason I've been rumored to go somewhere, and the one year (before the 2002 season) I was even traded (to the Angels). Then it got turned down (by the Angels)."

 

The proposed deal in 2002 had Garland going to the Angels for Darin Erstad, but the Angels backed out at the last minute.

 

Garland has been traded once. He went from the Cubs to the Sox on July 29, 1998, for pitcher Matt Karchner.

 

It might take something along the lines of a Dontrelle Willis — thought to be a Sox favorite — or another young quality pitcher for the Sox to consider dealing Garland, but Garland is aware anything can happen.

 

"It's a business," Garland said. "It's run like a business for the most part, and when a move needs to be make, whether they want to keep you or not, if that's what it's going to cost them, they'll do it."

 

So would you trade Garland as part of a deal for Willis, and who would a young quality SP be to make you think about dealing Jon?

[greasywheels121]

Was it this year that Garland's no-trade was evoked? Or was that next year?

[Steff]

Was it this year that Garland's no-trade was evoked? Or was that next year?

 

 

This year.

[Harry Chappas]

Is Willis that big of a deal for him to be part of a "package"?

[maggsmaggs]

If I traded a starter it would Garcia (whose value has shot up recently,) then Contreras, then Vazquez, then Buehrle and finally Jon. Jon is the last guy I would trade, he was out best pitcher for the last two seasons.

[Steve9347]

I'm still reeling because we dealt Matt Karchner for him

[spiderman]

Interesting read;

So would you trade Garland as part of a deal for Willis, and who would a young quality SP be to make you think about dealing Jon?

 

Why would the Marlins, with their $14 million payroll, take on J.Garland who makes $9 million a season for the next few seasons ?

 

If we want to add Willis, we're going to have to trade McCarthy, and prospects.

[GoSox05]

i like Garland and i hope he's on the Sox next year, but K-Wil finds somethings he likes, its up to him.

 

I gotta imagine that K-Wil is pretty pissed about are pitching staff. They should all get saturday detentions for the rest of the winter.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Interesting read;

So would you trade Garland as part of a deal for Willis, and who would a young quality SP be to make you think about dealing Jon?

 

 

NO, NO, NO!

 

 

There is no reason at all to trade Garland. The starter we need to move before anybody is Vazquez. I just love how he decides to show up after we're basically out of it. Get rid of his ass. That goes for Garcia too. Another one who didn't show up until we had knocked ourselves out of the hunt.

[whitesoxfan101]

NO, NO, NO!

There is no reason at all to trade Garland. The starter we need to move before anybody is Vazquez. I just love how he decides to show up after we're basically out of it. Get rid of his ass. That goes for Garcia too. Another one who didn't show up until we had knocked ourselves out of the hunt.

 

If we are going to dump a starter, make it Buehrle. He's only ours through 2007, is a lefty with trade value, and has terrible stuff. At least Vaz has shown some signs, and Freddy has shown he can get people out lately.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

If we are going to dump a starter, make it Buehrle. He's only ours through 2007, is a lefty with trade value, and has terrible stuff. At least Vaz has shown some signs, and Freddy has shown he can get people out lately.

 

 

I think MB can bounce back. I'm still pissed that Freddy and Vazquez didn't decide to show up until it was too late.

[kwolf68]

Trading Jon Garland would be the bane of stupidity. Unless it gets us Erik Bedard (Garland + prospect) in return I want no parts of it.

 

I am not a fan of Willis...he would have to improve his complimentary pitches to succeed in the AL, he's young and talented, but still a ? mark going to the AL

Edited September 22, 2006 by kwolf68

[Steve9347]

Personally, I'm not trading Buehrle at his lowest trade value ever, when he has shown a history of being a top pitcher (not an ace, but a top #2 starter).

 

There's no reason to trade Buehrle at this point. With the way he finished the season, Freddy Garcia would net the most profit.

 

Trading Jon Garland would be the bane of stupidity. Unless it gets us Erik Bedard (+a prospectc) in return I want no parts of it.

 

 

Why, oh why, would the Orioles trade a better starting pitcher AND a prospect to downgrade and get a more expensive pitcher?

 

Bedard > Garland RIGHT NOW, and in the FUTURE.

[kwolf68]

I screwed that up...I meant to say we'd have to add in a prospect to get Bedard.

[Rowand44]

Jon Garland>>>>Dontrelle Willis.

[DBAHO]

Why would the Marlins, with their $14 million payroll, take on J.Garland who makes $9 million a season for the next few seasons ?

 

If we want to add Willis, we're going to have to trade McCarthy, and prospects.

A 3rd team could be involved in the deal, or the Marlins could just then on trade Garland to another team for prospects.

 

Either way, if Willis and Cabrera are going to be moved, Beinfest will want to get the best deal possible in terms of prospects, so he may have to get creative.

[Steve9347]

A 3rd team could be involved in the deal, or the Marlins could just then on trade Garland to another team for prospects.

 

 

but why would random 3rd team want to give prospects for garland when they could have done so for willis?

 

unless we were to include prospects with garland in a deal to get willis, which i don't think is the best idea. willis would get pwned in the AL.

[DBAHO]

but why would random 3rd team want to give prospects for garland when they could have done so for willis?

 

unless we were to include prospects with garland in a deal to get willis, which i don't think is the best idea. willis would get pwned in the AL.

Because the 3rd team may have to give up less for Garland than they would for Willis. And because they know if they can't trade for Willis, well Garland is a pretty good backup scenario.

 

I'd imagine we'd have to give up a prospect along with Garland to get Willis.

[Rowand44]

Because the 3rd team may have to give up less for Garland than they would for Willis. And because they know if they can't trade for Willis, well Garland is a pretty good backup scenario.

 

I'd imagine we'd have to give up a prospect along with Garland to get Willis.

Which wouldn't be smart considering Jon is better than Dontrelle. Willis is going to need to stay in the NL to be effective for his career. After his first or second time around in the al he'd start to get hammered.

[Steve9347]

Because the 3rd team may have to give up less for Garland than they would for Willis. And because they know if they can't trade for Willis, well Garland is a pretty good backup scenario.

 

I'd imagine we'd have to give up a prospect along with Garland to get Willis.

 

 

Yes, but you don't understand. Why would the Marlins swap Willis to us for Garland, whom they could get less for?

 

Stategically, that is a horrible move. Garland is better than Willis when considering the league in which he pitches, so our swapping him for Willis would be dumb, let alone adding a spect or two.

 

so, basically, you're saying the marlins would want to trade willis for garland because they could get LESS for garland? it just doesn't add up.

[DBAHO]

Yes, but you don't understand. Why would the Marlins swap Willis to us for Garland, whom they could get less for?

 

Stategically, that is a horrible move. Garland is better than Willis when considering the league in which he pitches, so our swapping him for Willis would be dumb, let alone adding a spect or two.

 

so, basically, you're saying the marlins would want to trade willis for garland because they could get LESS for garland? it just doesn't add up.

I'm saying that we would have to trade a prospect along with Garland to get Willis (although I don't agree with that value wise, that is probably what would happen). Then the Marlins would trade Garland and still get prospects along with that.

 

It depends on what type of prospects they want. They have a huge need for a young stud center fielder. So if the Marlins traded Willis to the Mets for say some stud pitching prospects, they haven't filled that CF need. That's why he may end up at a team like the D-Backs for Chris Young.

 

It's kind of like the Jeff Weaver to the Yanks trade that happened a few years back. The Yanks got Weaver and gave up Ted Lilly and other prospects. The Tigers could have held onto Lilly but traded him to Oakland so that they could get Bonderman and Pena.

 

So if the Tigers decided to just straight up trade Weaver to the Yanks the end result in terms of the players and prospects they got back would have been different.

[Steve9347]

I'm saying that we would have to trade a prospect along with Garland to get Willis (although I don't agree with that value wise, that is probably what would happen). Then the Marlins would trade Garland and still get prospects along with that.

 

It depends on what type of prospects they want. They have a huge need for a young stud center fielder. So if the Marlins traded Willis to the Mets for say some stud pitching prospects, they haven't filled that CF need. That's why he may end up at a team like the D-Backs for Chris Young.

 

It's kind of like the Jeff Weaver to the Yanks trade that happened a few years back. The Yanks got Weaver and gave up Ted Lilly and other prospects. The Tigers could have held onto Lilly but traded him to Oakland so that they could get Bonderman and Pena.

 

So if the Tigers decided to just straight up trade Weaver to the Yanks the end result in terms of the players and prospects they got back would have been different.

 

 

well, my point is that the White Sox are not the right match. No need for D-Train.

[DBAHO]

well, my point is that the White Sox are not the right match. No need for D-Train.

I wouldn't rule it out at all.

 

KW's going to make a splash in the off-season. He did that last off-season filling our main need in getting a big left handed hitting slugger in Thome. Our main need this off-season is getting better starting pitcher, and Kenny may decide Willis is the guy to do that.

[RockRaines]

Garland has been one of the better pitchers for the past two years, plus hes young and a bargain. No way we trade him

[Steve9347]

I wouldn't rule it out at all.

 

KW's going to make a splash in the off-season. He did that last off-season filling our main need in getting a big left handed hitting slugger in Thome. Our main need this off-season is getting better starting pitcher, and Kenny may decide Willis is the guy to do that.

 

then he'd be wrong. a 3.77 era and a 1.40 whip in the NL would equal death in the AL...