Wanne Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 I'm almost starting to think he's worth a shot...especially if a package sends BMac, Freddy or Javie somewhere. Maybe he's better suited as a starter. I know he was usually put in with inherited runners for the most part...but the guy did not look comfortable all year long. At one point...wasn't that a thought at some time in the past year or so? Leaves a hole in the bullpen...not really IMO. It was a hole with him in there this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 nope...next question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 No. I don't feel like I even really need to provide proof. Next question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Cotts would be a better trade chip. It's too bad his ERA really blew up over the past few weeks. Even when he was going bad, his ERA was still respectable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 If he can't even get guys out as a middle reliever, how is that going to translate into an effective starter? Normally it won't. He does not have enough pitches or an "out" pitch to succeed as a starter. Righties also hit him pretty hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 I don't think Cotts would be a good starter. Let's pick another reliefer to choose from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 QUOTE(Wanne @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 05:41 PM) I'm almost starting to think he's worth a shot...especially if a package sends BMac, Freddy or Javie somewhere. Maybe he's better suited as a starter. I know he was usually put in with inherited runners for the most part...but the guy did not look comfortable all year long. At one point...wasn't that a thought at some time in the past year or so? Leaves a hole in the bullpen...not really IMO. It was a hole with him in there this year. I used to think so too. But, his season as a relief pitcher has been so far opposite of last year and the number of long balls he gives up is scary so I just am not sure anymore. Lefties in the starting rotation are good things though and if he can get straightened out as a starter I think it's worth a look anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 When Cotts masters more than say a pitch and a half then he can think about more than being a middle relief guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 12:49 PM) If he can't even get guys out as a middle reliever, how is that going to translate into an effective starter? Normally it won't. So should we not be thinking about adding Brandon to the rotation next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted September 27, 2006 Author Share Posted September 27, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 02:13 PM) So should we not be thinking about adding Brandon to the rotation next year? That's kind of my point. Everybody's lamented about how BMac is not suited for relief and is a starter. Well...the same could be said for Cotts. He's been a starter his whole life and honestly it takes a certain mindset to come out of the pen IMO. I would like to see him come up with another pitch or work on command of the off-speed. But he sure as hell may be more useful as a starter than he has this year coming out of the pen. I'm not sold on him being a valuable trade piece either, although lefties out of the pen are valuable...he really diminished a ton of his value this year. I just think it's an option to possibly look at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 He was a terrible starter a few years back, I don't think I'd want to see him start again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 QUOTE(Wanne @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 02:40 PM) That's kind of my point. Everybody's lamented about how BMac is not suited for relief and is a starter. Well...the same could be said for Cotts. He's been a starter his whole life and honestly it takes a certain mindset to come out of the pen IMO. I would like to see him come up with another pitch or work on command of the off-speed. But he sure as hell may be more useful as a starter than he has this year coming out of the pen. I'm not sold on him being a valuable trade piece either, although lefties out of the pen are valuable...he really diminished a ton of his value this year. I just think it's an option to possibly look at. Brandon actually has complimentary pitches to his fastball which is something Cotts is severly lacking. There's really no comparing the 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 QUOTE(Wanne @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 12:40 PM) That's kind of my point. Everybody's lamented about how BMac is not suited for relief and is a starter. Well...the same could be said for Cotts. He's been a starter his whole life and honestly it takes a certain mindset to come out of the pen IMO. I would like to see him come up with another pitch or work on command of the off-speed. But he sure as hell may be more useful as a starter than he has this year coming out of the pen. I'm not sold on him being a valuable trade piece either, although lefties out of the pen are valuable...he really diminished a ton of his value this year. I just think it's an option to possibly look at. There's a difference between coming up a starter and being suited to be a starter and coming up as a starter and yet still being suitable/best suited for the bullpen. Cotts has been a starter all his career before the big leagues...but he doesn't have the stuff of a starter. After a few innings, every hitter has seen the same pitches over and over and over again. BMac has 3 good pitches already...decent low to mid 90's fastball that is a little too straight...big overhand curve ball, and gorgeous changeup. That's enough for some pitchers to get by...but even with that, he was working on a 2 seam fastball last offseason, which could be another really good pitch for him. So we're talking the difference between 1-2 pitches and 3-4 pitches between the 2 guys. Furthermore, when Cotts was good in 05, a good portion of that came because he has somewhat of a deceptive delivery with the sidearm component. It makes the fastball look faster than it really is. Logan is an even more extreme example. When you only see this for a few batters each game, it works really well, because it takes some time to adapt to it. But like a lot of guys with tricky deliveries...if you don't have the stuff to go with it, i.e. you're not throwing upper 90's or something like that...eventually people can adapt to the delivery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicSoxFan Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Have you forgotten that Jerry Manuel already tried Cotts as a starter? He wet himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(GaelicSoxFan @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 03:12 PM) Have you forgotten that Jerry Manuel already tried Cotts as a starter? He wet himself. Well, that one's just unfair...a couple of games started under the worst possible conditions is just no way to judge a pitcher. Seriously...middle of a pennant chase, going for the sweep, at Yankee Stadium, and you start a rookie? Wow. We tried Grilli and Rauch as starters as well. Both of them are now succeeding in other peoples' bullpens. Edited September 27, 2006 by Balta1701 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 No, he would not make a good starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Yes because 1 pitch starters are always super effective and good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Sep 28, 2006 -> 10:17 PM) Yes because 1 pitch starters are always super effective and good. Especially when the "sneakiness" to their fastball disappears. Now Cotts just has that girly leg kick and a straight, 90 mph fastball without deception. He can leave immediately with Garcia and Podsednik. Edited September 29, 2006 by Flash Tizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Maybe Cotts has been misused by Ozzie all along and should be a starter. I can't find a green button to put that sentence in green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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