A-Rod, what's the asking price

[redandwhite]

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Have you EVER had a discussion on this site where it doesnt lead to a debate with another member?

 

Go away.

 

You started this debate by saying my opinion was "Wrong."

 

Get real.

[fathom]

It's not a pot shot, he's close minded about the White Sox, I'm close minded about the Red Sox. All fans are close minded to some degree.

 

Well, I was confused by your stance also. You said he had no trade value at all, and then when someone made a point about him not being worthless, you agreed. Personally, I think Uribe would be a valuable trade chip as part of a bigger package. If you're just trading him, you're likely going to have to trade for someone with a similar salary.

[redandwhite]

QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well, I was confused by your stance also. You said he had no trade value at all, and then when someone made a point about him not being worthless, you agreed. Personally, I think Uribe would be a valuable trade chip as part of a bigger package. If you're just trading him, you're likely going to have to trade for someone with a similar salary.

Good post. My apologies for being unclear.

[SoxAce]

I should have learned by now

 

Even the best of us have to learn someday.

[redandwhite]

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I said Wrong in response to your original post, which was flawed. You come here to start s***, and im done. I should have learned by now, so cheers on getting me to waste my time on you.

 

I don't come here to start s***, you did that yourself.

 

I came here to talk baseball, saying that I thought a guy making top dollar with the lowest on-base percentage in baseball didnt have trade value isn't flawed.

[Rowand44]

I'm not exactly sure how Alex Gonzalez is a better hitter than Juan. Juan had 12 more homers, 21 more rbi's and a better ops. I guess if OBP is the only stat that mattesr then Alex is the better hitter, maybe, but on the other hand Juan does have the better career obp. Defensively you can probably argue either way, both are pretty damn good defenders. Juan might make a bit more money than Gonzalez in 07 but it certainly isn't going to a ton more, probably less than a million dollars and considering the huge power difference, it's worth it. You're going to tell me a gold glove calibur, 27 year old shortop with a ton of pop and a reasonable contract has no trade value? Please.

Edited October 8, 2006 by Rowand44

[fathom]

I don't come here to start s***, you did that yourself.

 

I came here to talk baseball, saying that I thought a guy making top dollar with the lowest on-base percentage in baseball didnt have trade value isn't flawed.

 

Is top dollar really 4.5 million for someone who will hit you 20 homers and drive in 70 RBI while hitting at the bottom of the order....while playing well above average defense? No offense red, but you make it sound like he's making 8 mil a year on a team with a 40 million dollar payroll.

[fullcollapse]

hey, if joe borchard has trade value, then uribe definitely has trade value.

[fathom]

Much like Freddy Garcia, Juan Uribe is the type of player who I think will definitely have "career years" during their contract years.

[redandwhite]

All good points row, fath, collapse.

 

It seemed to me that far too often this season Uribe and Anderson were automatic outs. You can't be giving up two outs every time through the order.

 

Obviously the main point of this thread is Alex Rodriguez, I think we're all in agreement that Rodriguez at short stop for the White Sox would be an excellent acquisition. As for the asking price, I think the people who threw out Crede and Garcia are on to something.

[fathom]

All good points row, fath, collapse.

 

It seemed to me that far too often this season Uribe and Anderson were automatic outs. You can't be giving up two outs every time through the order.

 

Obviously the main point of this thread is Alex Rodriguez, I think we're all in agreement that Rodriguez at short stop for the White Sox would be an excellent acquisition. As for the asking price, I think the people who threw out Crede and Garcia are on to something.

 

You're absolutely right about them being automatic outs...it really killed our offense when you take into consideration how pathetic Pods was this season. If Uribe is your only designated "defensive" player, then he's a great fit. It's when you have too many other "defensive" players, that's when the easy outs start to add up.

[redandwhite]

QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You're absolutely right about them being automatic outs...it really killed our offense when you take into consideration how pathetic Pods was this season. If Uribe is your only designated "defensive" player, then he's a great fit. It's when you have too many other "defensive" players, that's when the easy outs start to add up.

 

Precisely.

 

I'm all for designated defensive players at SS and CF, but LF too.. You just can't have that.

 

Good post.

[Rowand44]

Ya, most of us agree on Arod which I'm kind of shocked about. I thought there would be many more people opposed to him on the Sox. I'm glad to see I was wrong.

[redandwhite]

I do think the opinions of many would be on the other side of the fence if he was making a quarter of the teams salary as he did in Texas.

[Rowand44]

I do think the opinions of many would be on the other side of the fence if he was making a quarter of the teams salary as he did in Texas.

No doubt. That's a much different situation though, obviously.

[redandwhite]

Well sure.

 

Then why are you surprised that people want one of the best players in the history of the game in his prime at a position of need who makes Konerko money?

[Rowand44]

Then why are you surprised that people want one of the best players in the history of the game in his prime at a position of need who makes Konerko money?

Cause I know many, many people hate ARod and are basically afraid of him for some reason. I just had the feeling more people would be opposed to it around here than actually are.

Edited October 9, 2006 by Rowand44

[redandwhite]

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Cause I know many, many people hate ARod and are basically afraid of him for some reason. I just had the feeling more people would be opposed to it around here then actually are.

 

Yea, he lost it for me when he slapped Bronson Arroyo's glove in the ALCS. I hear ya.

[witesoxfan]

Cause I know many, many people hate ARod and are basically afraid of him for some reason. I just had the feeling more people would be opposed to it around here than actually are.

 

They're around. Trust me, they're around.

[Kalapse]

Mike Lowell locked up the gold glove sometime around June.

[redandwhite]

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Mike Lowell locked up the gold glove sometime around June.

 

That's when his bat got stuck on his shoulder too.

[nitetrain8601]

A-Rod would be a great acquisition at SS, but the White Sox would have to give up so much, I'm not sure they would want to acquire him. I asked a couple of Yankee fans if a Crede, Garcia, Fields and a mid-level prospect would get it done, and they basically said it wouldn't take more, just better. Keep in mind, these are guys who don't care for A-Rod. Most brought up names:

 

Buehrle, Crede, McCarthy, Thornton/Sweeney/Fields, and another mid level prospect.

 

I want A-Rod here as bad as anyone, but I think it's beyond a pipedream to think about him coming here.

[witesoxfan]

A-Rod would be a great acquisition at SS, but the White Sox would have to give up so much, I'm not sure they would want to acquire him. I asked a couple of Yankee fans if a Crede, Garcia, Fields and a mid-level prospect would get it done, and they basically said it wouldn't take more, just better. Keep in mind, these are guys who don't care for A-Rod. Most brought up names:

 

Buehrle, Crede, McCarthy, Thornton/Sweeney/Fields, and another mid level prospect.

 

I want A-Rod here as bad as anyone, but I think it's beyond a pipedream to think about him coming here.

 

Buehrle, Crede, McCarthy, Thornton, and a prospect? Should the Sox just include the entire Birmingham Barons roster too?

 

I don't buy that at all. As far as I can tell, ARod is completely hated by New York in general, be it fans or the organization. Considering how much he makes(because even with money included, it is a ton), his value isn't high enough that he would net 2 all-stars(Crede's not an all-star, but he was about #33 on the 32 man), a very solid reliever, a very good looking and cheap young starting pitcher, as well as another prospect.

 

I obviously don't have inside sources into the Yankees FO, but if they are asking that much for 1 player who has a bad reputation for not being clutch, they aren't going to get rid of him. They may not want to get rid of him, so if not, they have all the right in the world to ask for that. George and company will get laughed at, but they can do so if they wish.

[SinkingShip06]

sorry. i don't want A-Rod on this team.

[Kalapse]

Buehrle, Crede, McCarthy, Thornton, and a prospect? Should the Sox just include the entire Birmingham Barons roster too?

 

I don't buy that at all. As far as I can tell, ARod is completely hated by New York in general, be it fans or the organization. Considering how much he makes(because even with money included, it is a ton), his value isn't high enough that he would net 2 all-stars(Crede's not an all-star, but he was about #33 on the 32 man), a very solid reliever, a very good looking and cheap young starting pitcher, as well as another prospect.

 

I obviously don't have inside sources into the Yankees FO, but if they are asking that much for 1 player who has a bad reputation for not being clutch, they aren't going to get rid of him. They may not want to get rid of him, so if not, they have all the right in the world to ask for that. George and company will get laughed at, but they can do so if they wish.

If you translate Buehrle, Crede, McCarthy, Thornton and a prospect into an Angels package you basically get Lackey, Figgins, Santana, Shields and a prospect for A-Rod. It just doesn't seem very plausible now does it?