Chisoxfn Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 16, 2006 -> 01:19 PM) Interesting proposal, Jason. If the White Sox are going to make a big splash this offseason, Ramirez's name has to be considered. Do you think the BoSox would consider that? I'm assuming they may finally act on the usual Manny wants to be traded off-season dilemma and I'd like to think that Buehrle is the top of guy that they'd love to get in return for Manny. Plus, based on what I've heard from a few BoSox fans, they really don't want anything to do with Coco Crisp (who had a down season, but would still look a lot better at the top of the order than Pods). Its pretty clear they'll need pitching and while Buehrle is coming off a bad year, its not like he's over the hill or anything. Heck, that could turn into a total coup if Buehrle were to respond and pitch like the Buehrle Sox fans came to love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Many Red Sox fans are ignorant, as are any in such a large fan base. In my opinion, Crisp's down year can be attributed to his hurt wrist all season. Somehow in Spring Training he came out and looked like a future Hall of Famer and then he gets injured and he struggles. I could definitly see Manny being traded this offseason, and I can see them trading him to the White Sox if it were Buehrle who was involved, nonetheless Crisp won't be easy to get. He's probably the Red Sox most valuable player along with Josh Beckett in terms of youth, effectiveness, and cost. Of course Ortiz isn't on the market. They'll give him another chance unless a can't miss offer comes by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Oct 16, 2006 -> 02:41 PM) Does anyone even realize how much we'd help the Yankees? Suddenly a team with a 200 million dollar payroll has a 500,000 dollar starter? In addition to Hughes upcoming promotion and Wang's salary, that's a relatively cheap threesome. They'll have an abundance of money to spend wisely. I believe Cashman and company realize the importance of quality signings now. Just as they understand how crucial a contributing minor league system is. Don't forget Clippard, everyone loves to talk about Hughes and rightfully so but the yankees are about to have a real talented young starting staff by mid '07 early '08 Tyler Clippard RHP born 02/14/1985 - 3.53 ERA 1.06WHIP 166.1IP 175SO/55BB is pretty impressive. Their future rotation of Matz/Zito Wang Hughes Clippard arm aquired when they deal alex is pretty impressive. Hell, Wang, Hughes & Clippard is pretty impressive in itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 The rumor about the Japanese pitcher is Seattle is willing to post $30 million. I'm sure he'll be great, but between what it will cost to negotiate with him and his contract, he's almost into Roger Clemens territory, and JR won't go more than 3 years with pitching so posting could be a huge waste of money, sort of like Javier Vazquez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Matsuzaka is a Boras client. I know ARod is as well but his deal is done. I'd love to get Mats cause I think he's going to be a freakin stud(and yes I'd like him over Alex) but it's not happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Don't forget just what a good baseball player ARod is, it gets lost in the NY media. If the White Sox can get him for BMac and Crede, and they can afford him I say do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(TLAK @ Oct 16, 2006 -> 09:13 PM) Don't forget just what a good baseball player ARod is, it gets lost in the NY media. If the White Sox can get him for BMac and Crede, and they can afford him I say do it. Me too, as long as they have faith in Fields to develop at the pro-level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2628823 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 With what? Felix Pie, Sean Marshall and some magic beans? The Sox have mlb talent to replace ARod on the Yankees mlb roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(knightni @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 01:39 AM) With what? Felix Pie, Sean Marshall and some magic beans? The Sox have mlb talent to replace ARod on the Yankees mlb roster. Agreed. The cubs have nothing of interest aside from Zambrano, and the cubs aren't that stupid, are they? lol As the article states the cubs will be expanding the payroll, I expect them to land Soriano or Lee and hopefully retain Pierre(for our sake) and Schmidt or Pettitte, that along with a healthy Lee should be enough in the quagmire that is the NL Central. I also see Aramis Opting out for FA and heading to the angels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 The Cubs would probably have to include the likes of Ramirez, Rich Hill and Scott Eyre to at least get the Yanks thinking about an offer. But I'm still on the Garcia and Crede for A-Rod deal bandwagon if there's going to be a deal done here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(knightni @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 01:39 AM) With what? Felix Pie, Sean Marshall and some magic beans? The Sox have mlb talent to replace ARod on the Yankees mlb roster. The tribune hype machine is in full motion, with Lou Pinella being the greatest manager ever, to Jim Hnedry aquiring the best FA's and making ridiculous trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 I think KW is actually making a strong push for him. I can't believe he is the first GM to call about him. If New York would be willing to pay some of his ridiculous salary like Texas for him already. Crede and Garcia I might have to agree to that. A-Rod's defense might not be as good as Crede's but, A-Rod is probably one of the top 3 best hitters of all time. But does this team need another power hitter?!? Can Arod steal bases? Because what we need is more speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 08:18 AM) Can Arod steal bases? Because what we need is more speed. ARod was 15/19 in stolen bases last season. In 2004 he was 28/32. He had 46 SB in 1998. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 10:18 AM) I think KW is actually making a strong push for him. I can't believe he is the first GM to call about him. If New York would be willing to pay some of his ridiculous salary like Texas for him already. Crede and Garcia I might have to agree to that. A-Rod's defense might not be as good as Crede's but, A-Rod is probably one of the top 3 best hitters of all time. But does this team need another power hitter?!? Can Arod steal bases? Because what we need is more speed. I honestly think A-Rod would go back to SS. And they would either sign a FA or bring up Josh Fields. Also, there's a pitcher out there we may want to consider: Doug Davis. had a down year this year, but had a hell of a year last year. Just throwing that out there. Oh yeah, and Jason...NO TO MANNY! Pods was difficult enough to watch in LF...I couldn't even imagine watching Manny being Manny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 10:18 AM) But does this team need another power hitter?!? Can Arod steal bases? Because what we need is more speed. ARod putting up .310 50 150 .420/.600/1.020 will make you forget about the Sox surplus of power hitters. ARod can steal bases, as Balta pointed out. Stolen bases are not always a good judge of speed. Carlos Lee's stolen 61 bases over the past 4 years...Carlos Lee is not fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 I posted this over at WSI but i was wondering what everyone here thinks. Anyone else think that Zambrano coming to the AL would make him the new Josh Beckett? He would no longer be able to bean/walk the #7 hitter to face a weak hitting catcher, and then an equally weak hitting pitcher to get out of a Jam. I have a hard time seeing him being successful in an organization like the Yankees where the FO, fan base and media puts accountability on their players, look what he did on a 96 loss cub team. Zambrano's '06 ERA 3.41 WHIP 1.29 BAA .208 IP 214 115BB/210SO with 9HBP 20HRs GO/AO 1.28 Beckett's '05 ERA 3.37 WHIP 1.18 BAA .234 IP 178.2 58BB/166SO with 7HBP 14HRs GO/AO 1.14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 01:42 AM) The Cubs would probably have to include the likes of Ramirez, Rich Hill and Scott Eyre to at least get the Yanks thinking about an offer. But I'm still on the Garcia and Crede for A-Rod deal bandwagon if there's going to be a deal done here. Isn't Ramirez expected to buy out of his contract and become a free agent? I know the talk out here is the Angels may very well make a push at signing Aramis. QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 08:44 AM) I honestly think A-Rod would go back to SS. And they would either sign a FA or bring up Josh Fields. Also, there's a pitcher out there we may want to consider: Doug Davis. had a down year this year, but had a hell of a year last year. Just throwing that out there. Oh yeah, and Jason...NO TO MANNY! Pods was difficult enough to watch in LF...I couldn't even imagine watching Manny being Manny. Manny is vastly superior to Pods in lf. The only major knock when it comes to Manny's defense is whether he tries. When he does try (which contrary to popular belief is most of the time) he's actually pretty darn solid out there. Now I don't know how he'd do having to cover a bit more ground (not having the monster) but he is very very good at getting off quick and accurate throws and actually throwing guys out. I watched a lot of Manny in LF this past year and my opinion of his defense greatly changed and I now thing he's a better fielder than anyone gives him credit for. QUOTE(beautox @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 09:22 AM) I posted this over at WSI but i was wondering what everyone here thinks. Anyone else think that Zambrano coming to the AL would make him the new Josh Beckett? He would no longer be able to bean/walk the #7 hitter to face a weak hitting catcher, and then an equally weak hitting pitcher to get out of a Jam. I have a hard time seeing him being successful in an organization like the Yankees where the FO, fan base and media puts accountability on their players, look what he did on a 96 loss cub team. Zambrano's '06 ERA 3.41 WHIP 1.29 BAA .208 IP 214 115BB/210SO with 9HBP 20HRs GO/AO 1.28 Beckett's '05 ERA 3.37 WHIP 1.18 BAA .234 IP 178.2 58BB/166SO with 7HBP 14HRs GO/AO 1.14 Are you kidding me. Zambrano is one of the more ridiculously great pitchers in the game. Aside from Santana, I think he's the best pitcher in baseball. Plus he's a total beast/work horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 (edited) Lou Pinella = Dusty Baker.... I think Pinella is actually a better manager, but what I'm getting at is he's a PR tool for the Cubs, and they have to pay him less than a marquee player. If A-Rod is available there will likely be many teams interested (LAD, LAA, probably CHW), so Cubs fans who think the Cubs will just dictate the terms to NYY and they'll land him are sorely mistaken Edited October 17, 2006 by SoxFan562004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 (edited) Zambrano can't pitch when's there's a DH in the lineup. He likes to walk or bean guys to have the pitcher K with the bases loaded. I showed this to the nyyfans: I've preached this for years to my diehard Cub fan friends, but it has fallen on deaf ears. Zambrano likes to walk or hit batters in order to face the .200 hitting NL catcher batting 8th, or the pitcher. I can't count how many times I have seen him walk the bases loaded to strikeout the pitcher getting out of the jam. And then of course he follows it up with a moonwalk or some other Pony league act. Take a look at his career numbers in AL parks where he can't hide behind the weak catcher batting #8 or the pitcher. Yankee Stadium: 6.1 IP, 2.37 WHIP, 8.53 ERA USCF: 19.1 IP in 4 games (3 starts), 1.71 WHIP, 6.05 ERA @Baltimore: 2 IP, 3.00 WHIP, 13.5 ERA @Cle, 6 IP, 1.50 WHIP, 3 ERA In 6 starts in AL Parks, he has managed to go 33.2 innings, with a 1.87 WHIP and a 6.42 ERA Edited October 17, 2006 by santo=dorf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 11:37 AM) Are you kidding me. Zambrano is one of the more ridiculously great pitchers in the game. Aside from Santana, I think he's the best pitcher in baseball. Plus he's a total beast/work horse. Those numbers scream to me that he will get eaten alive in the AL, and for further proof look at his splits against AL teams. I will say this again Zambrano to the AL = Josh Beckett x 2, and which Santana are you talkin about, I surely hope Ervin; because if your talking about Johan I'm at a loss for words. EDIT: spelling. On another note, if Alex does void his NTC doesn't an opition year get added onto his contract because of the CBA just like Thome and Vazquez? so we would have him under contract till 2011? Edited October 17, 2006 by beautox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Thome had an option year on his orignal contract. Vazquez is an entirely different situation becuase he demanded a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 thanks for the insight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 A Source very close to the tribune suggests that Pinella wants A-rod. Hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(beautox @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 10:09 AM) Those numbers scream to me that he will get eaten alive in the AL, and for further proof look at his splits against AL teams. I will say this again Zambrano to the AL = Josh Beckett x 2, and which Santana are you talkin about, I surely hope Ervin; because if your talking about Johan I'm at a loss for words. EDIT: spelling. On another note, if Alex does void his NTC doesn't an opition year get added onto his contract because of the CBA just like Thome and Vazquez? so we would have him under contract till 2011? I will point out that Beckett pitched in a notorious pitchers park while Carlos has done what he has in a hitters park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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