A-Rod, what's the asking price

[nitetrain8601]

Buehrle, Crede, McCarthy, Thornton, and a prospect? Should the Sox just include the entire Birmingham Barons roster too?

 

I don't buy that at all. As far as I can tell, ARod is completely hated by New York in general, be it fans or the organization. Considering how much he makes(because even with money included, it is a ton), his value isn't high enough that he would net 2 all-stars(Crede's not an all-star, but he was about #33 on the 32 man), a very solid reliever, a very good looking and cheap young starting pitcher, as well as another prospect.

 

I obviously don't have inside sources into the Yankees FO, but if they are asking that much for 1 player who has a bad reputation for not being clutch, they aren't going to get rid of him. They may not want to get rid of him, so if not, they have all the right in the world to ask for that. George and company will get laughed at, but they can do so if they wish.

 

They won't try to get rid of him. Are they going to shop him? Of course, but they're not looking to "dump" him. "Dumping" and "trading" are two very different things. Unless someone wows them, they're not going to trade A-Rod, much less pay any of his contract.

[sircaffey]

Has any player brought in that much Major League talent before (4 solid players)? It's going to be extremely hard for the Yanks to get 3 solid major leaguers let alone 4 for Arod. No team is going to shed themselves that badly. At best, I could see a SP, 3B, and RP for Arod. Definitely not 2 SP. This is a buy low situation. I'd like to see the Sox jump all over it.

 

They won't try to get rid of him. Are they going to shop him? Of course, but they're not looking to "dump" him. "Dumping" and "trading" are two very different things. Unless someone wows them, they're not going to trade A-Rod, much less pay any of his contract.

 

I wouldn't put anything by Big Stein.

[nitetrain8601]

If you translate Buehrle, Crede, McCarthy, Thornton and a prospect into an Angels package you basically get Lackey, Figgins, Santana, Shields and a prospect for A-Rod. It just doesn't seem very plausible now does it?

 

Which is exactly what the Yankees would look for if they were going to trade him. A very good starter, someone to somewhat replace production at 3B(which I think Crede would do much better of), a future 2/3 to go along with Phillip Hughes I think his name is, and a bridge to get to Rivera.

 

Has any player brought in that much Major League talent before (4 solid players)? It's going to be extremely hard for the Yanks to get 3 solid major leaguers let alone 4 for Arod. No team is going to shed themselves that badly. At best, I could see a SP, 3B, and RP for Arod. Definitely not 2 SP. This is a buy low situation. I'd like to see the Sox jump all over it.

I wouldn't put anything by Big Stein.

 

No, but no team has tried to trade a player of A-Rod's calibur either. I mean, at SS, the guy was a legit GG. And as a SS, he's probably the best ever to play the position. It may be a buy low situation, but the Yankees aren't stupid when it comes to A-Rod production apparently. Trust me, I tried telling them to look at Crede's numbers, especially his defense and they weren't having any of it. They love Crede, but they know what they want. Steinbrenner is just like the fans too, it just depends on if someone like Cashman(who I believe is a good friend of KW's) decides that he'll go against the boss.

 

Again, I want A-Rod badly. Someone should get Cashman and Steinbrenner really drunk.

Edited October 9, 2006 by nitetrain8601

[santo=dorf]

I can imagine the Yanks trying to package worthless Pavano with A-Rod just to save some money. Perhaps they would send some cahs, but only if you take on some damaged goods like Pavano or Wright.

[Felix]

Has any player brought in that much Major League talent before (4 solid players)? It's going to be extremely hard for the Yanks to get 3 solid major leaguers let alone 4 for Arod. No team is going to shed themselves that badly. At best, I could see a SP, 3B, and RP for Arod. Definitely not 2 SP. This is a buy low situation. I'd like to see the Sox jump all over it.

Lets put it this way. The Rangers got Alfonso Soriano and Joaquin Arias from the Yankees for him, and still had to pay a boatload of money. This was when A-Rod was in his prime, and coming off some of his best seasons while playing spectacular defense at shortstop. Now, A-Rod is 30+, and is coming off a couple of horrible seasons with the media while playing poor defense at third. If they get more quality major leaguers now than they gave up then, it just doesn't make sense to me.

 

That being said, this is a pretty bad comparison since they are different situations and timing

[nitetrain8601]

I can imagine the Yanks trying to package worthless Pavano with A-Rod just to save some money. Perhaps they would send some cahs, but only if you take on some damaged goods like Pavano or Wright.

 

It would probably take that as well. I could see the Yankees dropping at least one of those players off, if they suckered a team into paying the rest of Pavano's contract.

 

Lets put it this way. The Rangers got Alfonso Soriano and Joaquin Arias from the Yankees for him, and still had to pay a boatload of money. This was when A-Rod was in his prime, and coming off some of his best seasons while playing spectacular defense at shortstop. Now, A-Rod is 30+, and is coming off a couple of horrible seasons with the media while playing poor defense at third. If they get more quality major leaguers now than they gave up then, it just doesn't make sense to me.

 

That being said, this is a pretty bad comparison since they are different situations and timing

 

If those are horrible, I hate to see what you would call a Juan Uribe year.

[RockRaines]

Fact is, you have to think A-rod is done in NY. He disappeared in the playoffs again, and he has to be out the door. Also the Yanks found out they need better pitching to compete in the postseason. We package Buehrle with someone for A-rod, I can see it happening. He plays SS for us though, not 3B

Edited October 9, 2006 by RockRaines

[nitetrain8601]

Fact is, you have to think A-rod is done in NY. He disappeared in the playoffs again, and he has to be out the door. Also the Yanks found out they need better pitching to compete in the postseason. We package Buehrle with someone for A-rod, I can see it happening. He plays SS for us though, not 3B

isnt that an ironic statement.....

 

I don't see that he has to be out the door. There are some Yankee fans who defend him and know that the rest of the lineup minus Jorge Posada and Jeter I believe it was, did horrible in the playoffs.

[Felix]

I dont want to put words in the mouth of Felix, but im pretty sure he was saying horrible seasons IN the media....

Yes, thats what I meant. I figured that my point would get across, but I guess not

[RockRaines]

I don't see that he has to be out the door. There are some Yankee fans who defend him and know that the rest of the lineup minus Jorge Posada and Jeter I believe it was, did horrible in the playoffs.

The fans dont pay the bills. You have to think Big George is not happy with A-rod right now, and someone has to be shown the door. Out of all the marquee players that you let go, he is the first. Plus you know they are going to make a run at pitching next year, why dont we offer up some clutch playoff pitchers (Garcia, Mark, Count) and see if they bite on one of them.

[fathom]

The fans dont pay the bills. You have to think Big George is not happy with A-rod right now, and someone has to be shown the door. Out of all the marquee players that you let go, he is the first. Plus you know they are going to make a run at pitching next year, why dont we offer up some clutch playoff pitchers (Garcia, Mark, Count) and see if they bite on one of them.

 

This isn't meant for you Rock, but the next one to offer up Contreras or Vazquez in a trade to the Yankees is going to make me punch someone.

[nitetrain8601]

The fans dont pay the bills. You have to think Big George is not happy with A-rod right now, and someone has to be shown the door. Out of all the marquee players that you let go, he is the first. Plus you know they are going to make a run at pitching next year, why dont we offer up some clutch playoff pitchers (Garcia, Mark, Count) and see if they bite on one of them.

 

I wouldn't say Mark is a clutch playoff pitcher. Same probably for Garcia and Yankee fans don't think Contreras can handle the NY pressure. And yes, the fans do pay the bills. If the fans don't come, you wouldn't see that big payroll.

[BobDylan]

They won't try to get rid of him. Are they going to shop him? Of course, but they're not looking to "dump" him. "Dumping" and "trading" are two very different things. Unless someone wows them, they're not going to trade A-Rod, much less pay any of his contract.

 

I'm sorry, but if you get two solid major leaguers and a top prospect, you're not "dumping" a player. There isn't a player in this league I'd trade 4 pivotal pieces of my team for just one "star" in return. They might get a better offer than Garcia + Crede + Broadway/McCarthy, but it's not going to be much better. And whichever team offers that had better have one hell of a plan to replace all that lost talent. A-Rod might be a great player but when you look at the total package I'm not even sure he's worth Garcia, Crede and a prospect.

[Felix]

This isn't meant for you Rock, but the next one to offer up Contreras or Vazquez in a trade to the Yankees is going to make me punch someone.

[BobDylan]

I wouldn't say Mark is a clutch playoff pitcher. Same probably for Garcia and Yankee fans don't think Contreras can handle the NY pressure. And yes, the fans do pay the bills. If the fans don't come, you wouldn't see that big payroll.

 

The fans don't pay the bills. Endorsements do.

[nitetrain8601]

I'm sorry, but if you get two solid major leaguers and a top prospect, you're not "dumping" a player. There isn't a player in this league I'd trade 4 pivotal pieces of my team for just one "star" in return. They might get a better offer than Garcia + Crede + Broadway/McCarthy, but it's not going to be much better. And whichever team offers that had better have one hell of a plan to replace all that lost talent. A-Rod might be a great player but when you look at the total package I'm not even sure he's worth Garcia, Crede and a prospect.

 

Again, there's no way I would do that deal either which makes him virtually untradeable for the Yankees.

[greg775]

If they hire Piniella, no way they deal A-Rod.

If Torre stays, I bet he's dealt.

I don't want A-Rod on the Sox.

He will be a major cancer. Why do you think he's booed at Yankee Stadium and the Rangers

were horrible with the guy??

He makes too much cash. He belongs in NY with the Yankees with that salary.

[Felix]

Why do you think he's booed at Yankee Stadium

Because its New York...

 

and the Rangers

were horrible with the guy??

Because baseball is a team game, and the entire team sucked outside of A-Rod? (which is generalizing, I dont remember who else they had at that time really)

[AngelasDaddy0427]

Hey to be fair Juan Gone was damn good back in the day... LOL!

[GoodAsGould]

When A-Rod was in Texas basicly the stars were him, Pudge, Palmiero, Gonzo, and Everett. They were pretty good offensively but their pitching was even worse than it is now.

[greg775]

Why would so many of you want this guy?

He defines losing.

He batted eighth the other day. It turned into the sideshow.

Why did he bat him eighth?

Cause Torre is sick of him, just like Oz was sick of lightbat Brian Anderson.

Leave ARod to rot in NY.

As long as he is there we won't have to worry about NY winning it.

Keep Crede should be our rallying cry.

Just say no to AROD and keep Joe.

[R.J.]

If I'm the Yankees...

 

First of all, they're going to try to trade him. They're going to have to given the situation that theyve been presented with. But nobody is stupid enough (except maybe that one guy) to forget that Alex Rodriguez was the MVP of baseball just one year ago and plays like one every year, at least offensively. He's still got years left and he's versatile in that he can play 3rd or short, both quite well.

 

Ok, I hear you squawking that he sucked at 3rd base this year. My god, yes he did. But the level which it was blown out of proportion is pretty considerable. And yes, guys get older and lose some range and who knows if he can even play SS anymore?

 

Well, with his offensive production, he's worth being a mediocre shortstop or a 3rd baseman who makes errors. The numbers don't lie. New York lies to you.

 

So, this is a pretty valuable commodity, even if his name has been dragged through the mud all over New York.

 

The asking price starts with Crede, McCarthy, and a prospect. A good one. Sweeney might not fit them, and Broadway is solid but doesnt wow anybody. It could be either though.

 

Don't kid yourselves into thinking that the Yankees want Freddy Garcia. He had 17 wins? Sure. But I watched him pitch in all 17 of them, so you're not fooling me into thinking he had a good year or that he has many good years ahead of him. Garcia has trade value, but not A-Rod trade value.

 

McCarthy does. We've all soured on McCarthy (a little?), but come on. He's got a nice future. Not as a releiver, we saw, but he's got a hell of a lot of talent. And he's 1000x more valuable to a team than Garcia.

 

Crede is a must. He's the one coming off the breakout year. His name has got the buzz. He's got that sure handed defense at 3rd that A-Rod lacks. The Yanks would love to have him and he wouldn't be a bad replacement for the "mess" that A-Rod has become for them. Fields will not get the deal done folks. He's not a sure thing, at all.

 

Don't want to deal our precious babe Brandon McCarthy? Well, ok. Then we're going to have to get creative. I already said Garcia isn't impressive enough to get the Yankees biting. They already know what Contreras and Vazquez can do and they're not getting back on that boat. But Buehrle... Buehrle would be interesting. They need starting pitching. Everyone does.

 

Buehrle is coming off of his worst year, and yeah he looked worse than Garcia at times during that stretch, but I'm more apt to believe that he'll turn it around before Garcia does. Freddy lost his fastball .... velocity doesnt come back to you too often. Buehrle is a crafty left hander, and crafty left handers run into trouble a lot, but they get through it. I think the Yankees and most teams in baseball would jump at the chance to get Mark Buehrle, down year or not, based on reputation.

 

So Crede, McCarthy or Buehrle, and a prospect. Yankees send Rodriguez and maybe, maybe, some money.

 

I don't think we can do much better for them, and I don't think they'll accept much less. Remember: the Yankees can't upgrade from A-Rod at 3rd base. And unless you've got something special to give them, they can go right out and buy a guy who's similar or better.

 

Crede, McCarthy or Buehrle, and a prospect. That brings you one of the best players in the game. But does it make us a better team?

 

I don't think it does. It doesnt fix our leadoff problem, it doesnt fill that gaping hole in left field, it doesnt strengthen our pitching staff, the life blood of the team, or get Uribe and Anderson's bats going.

 

I could be convinced to sell on Crede for the right player. (A-Rod IS, you betcha.) I'm less happy about the certainty that to get a guy like A-Rod you're going to have to toss in Buehrle (who despite that disgusting second half, is still rock solid most of the time) or McCarthy (who I'd REALLY like to see get his shot.)

 

A deal like that for A-Rod leaves us with a (still) solid top-to-bottom pitching staff, but one less guy who is capable of stepping it up and pitching like an Ace.

 

Is it still worth it?

Edited October 9, 2006 by R.J.

[Rowand44]

If I'm the Yankees...

 

First of all, they're going to try to trade him. They're going to have to given the situation that theyve been presented with. But nobody is stupid enough (except maybe that one guy) to forget that Alex Rodriguez was the MVP of baseball just one year ago and plays like one every year, at least offensively. He's still got years left and he's versatile in that he can play 3rd or short, both quite well.

 

Ok, I hear you squawking that he sucked at 3rd base this year. My god, yes he did. But the level which it was blown out of proportion is pretty considerable. And yes, guys get older and lose some range and who knows if he can even play SS anymore?

 

Well, with his offensive production, he's worth being a mediocre shortstop or a 3rd baseman who makes errors. The numbers don't lie. New York lies to you.

 

So, this is a pretty valuable commodity, even if his name has been dragged through the mud all over New York.

 

The asking price starts with Crede, McCarthy, and a prospect. A good one. Sweeney might not fit them, and Broadway is solid but doesnt wow anybody. It could be either though.

 

Don't kid yourselves into thinking that the Yankees want Freddy Garcia. He had 17 wins? Sure. But I watched him pitch in all 17 of them, so you're not fooling me into thinking he had a good year or that he has many good years ahead of him. Garcia has trade value, but not A-Rod trade value.

 

McCarthy does. We've all soured on McCarthy (a little?), but come on. He's got a nice future. Not as a releiver, we saw, but he's got a hell of a lot of talent. And he's 1000x more valuable to a team than Garcia.

 

Crede is a must. He's the one coming off the breakout year. His name has got the buzz. He's got that sure handed defense at 3rd that A-Rod lacks. The Yanks would love to have him and he wouldn't be a bad replacement for the "mess" that A-Rod has become for them. Fields will not get the deal done folks. He's not a sure thing, at all.

 

Don't want to deal our precious babe Brandon McCarthy? Well, ok. Then we're going to have to get creative. I already said Garcia isn't impressive enough to get the Yankees biting. They already know what Contreras and Vazquez can do and they're not getting back on that boat. But Buehrle... Buehrle would be interesting. They need starting pitching. Everyone does.

 

Buehrle is coming off of his worst year, and yeah he looked worse than Garcia at times during that stretch, but I'm more apt to believe that he'll turn it around before Garcia does. Freddy lost his fastball .... velocity doesnt come back to you too often. Buehrle is a crafty left hander, and crafty left handers run into trouble a lot, but they get through it. I think the Yankees and most teams in baseball would jump at the chance to get Mark Buehrle, down year or not, based on reputation.

 

So Crede, McCarthy or Buehrle, and a prospect. Yankees send Rodriguez and maybe, maybe, some money.

 

I don't think we can do much better for them, and I don't think they'll accept much less. Remember: the Yankees can't upgrade from A-Rod at 3rd base. And unless you've got something special to give them, they can go right out and buy a guy who's similar or better.

 

Crede, McCarthy or Buehrle, and a prospect. That brings you one of the best players in the game. But does it make us a better team?

 

I don't think it does. It doesnt fix our leadoff problem, it doesnt fill that gaping hole in left field, it doesnt strengthen our pitching staff, the life blood of the team, or get Uribe and Anderson's bats going.

 

I could be convinced to sell on Crede for the right player. (A-Rod IS, you betcha.) I'm less happy about the certainty that to get a guy like A-Rod you're going to have to toss in Buehrle (who despite that disgusting second half, is still rock solid most of the time) or McCarthy (who I'd REALLY like to see get his shot.)

 

A deal like that for A-Rod leaves us with a (still) solid top-to-bottom pitching staff, but one less guy who is capable of stepping it up and pitching like an Ace.

 

Is it still worth it?

 

Any deal involving Brandon McCarthy is a no go. His presence is the key to our whole offseason. By the way I didn't sour on Brandon at all. Anyways, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Yankees would want Freddy. The Yankees are still going to want a proven starter and Freddy is just that. It's going to take a nice package to get Alex, no doubt but I think it'd be doable with out Brandon.

 

EDIT: Well thought out post though RJ, I just disagree about Freddy, I think he'd interest them.

Edited October 9, 2006 by Rowand44

[witesoxfan]

It was but 2 and a half years ago that the Yankees were getting Freddy Garcia for a package of prospects include Dioner Navarro. Then KW included some guy named Jeremy Reed.

 

Given, a lot has changed since then(like Freddy's velocity), but I don't think that will change the fact that New York likes Freddy. He still has the makeup to be a big game pitcher, and his stuff looked a hell of a lot better in September, even if it was mainly junkball s***.

 

That's why I am almost determined to believe that Crede and Garcia would get ARod and perhaps even Proctor too. You then look to acquire a stopgap leadoff hitter for a year or two(Dave Roberts comes to mind initially, but perhaps Figgins is possible as well)

[beck72]

Any deal that would involve Crede [which NY would love and demand] is a no go. A rod's not coming to the sox. The angels or Dodgers both have the need for Arod. Let them part with the players it would take to get him.