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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 08:21 PM)
What an amazing choke job, congrats on that. Time to get the NIT reservations settled and get ready for that fine recruiting class that will for sure make up the loss of Carter and McBride (and apparently Arnold too). What a waste of a season.

Illinois doesn't have a NIT resume yet. They should be fine barring a major choke.

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 02:21 PM)
What an amazing choke job, congrats on that. Time to get the NIT reservations settled and get ready for that fine recruiting class that will for sure make up the loss of Carter and McBride (and apparently Arnold too). What a waste of a season.

LMAO. You are my favorite poster.

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QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 02:23 PM)
LMAO. You are my favorite poster.

 

None of that is inaccurate. It's pretty clear the Illini are the 6th best team in the league after what is going on today with Purdue and Iowa. Only way there is a shot is if the games vs. Purdue and at Iowa are both won, which is not going to happen since even if there is a chance, we'll choke at the end. Amazing how far a program can fall in 2 years when you can't get players.

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 02:21 PM)
What an amazing choke job, congrats on that. Time to get the NIT reservations settled and get ready for that fine recruiting class that will for sure make up the loss of Carter and McBride (and apparently Arnold too). What a waste of a season.

wow.

yeah losing away games in the big 10 against the 3rd place team completely makes us lose all credibility.

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QUOTE(SnB @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 02:26 PM)
wow.

yeah losing away games in the big 10 against the 3rd place team completely makes us lose all credibility.

 

It's not a bad loss, it's the season long lack of a big win. And there is no excuse to lose this game, Indiana couldn't hit a shot for 6 minutes late in this game, and still wins.

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5 second call was an embarrasment. Just showed it on ESPN, not even close to 5 seconds. We probably would have choked and missed the shot, but to lose on a 5 second call that wasn't even 5 seconds is just awful. Big 10 refs should all lose their jobs.They are an embarrasment to the game of basketball.

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QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 02:23 PM)
Illinois doesn't have a NIT resume yet. They should be fine barring a major choke.

I don't know about that, they got some work to do. They really have one decent ooc win and that was against Bradley and then MSU and IU in the big 10. They're 3 and 8 against the the top 50 which isn't pretty. The only thing the Illini have going for them is they do have a good sos, they need to finish at least 3 and 1 to give themselves a shot imo.

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 02:28 PM)
5 second call was an embarrasment. Just showed it on ESPN, not even close to 5 seconds. We probably would have choked and missed the shot, but to lose on a 5 second call that wasn't even 5 seconds is just awful. Big 10 refs should all lose their jobs.They are an embarrasment to the game of basketball.

 

Yeah it wasn't 5 seconds, but whatever pathetic play Bruce called wasn't working. Should have had a shot at a tough attempt by Carter there though.

 

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 02:28 PM)
I don't know about that, they got some work to do. They really have one decent ooc win and that was against Bradley and then MSU and IU in the big 10. They're 3 and 8 against the the top 50 which isn't pretty. The only thing the Illini have going for them is they do have a good sos, they need to finish at least 3 and 1 to give themselves a shot imo.

 

I forgot they don't host Purdue, the last 4 are vs. Northwestern, vs. Michigan, at Penn State, and at Iowa. All 4 of those must be won, or else you have to win 2 in Chicago, and I'm not betting on that.

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QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 02:28 PM)
I don't know about that, they got some work to do. They really have one decent ooc win and that was against Bradley and then MSU and IU in the big 10. They're 3 and 8 against the the top 50 which isn't pretty. The only thing the Illini have going for them is they do have a good sos, they need to finish at least 3 and 1 to give themselves a shot imo.

 

Agree, should win both home games and need to split against Penn St. and Iowa on the road.

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 02:30 PM)
Agree, should win both home games and need to split against Penn St. and Iowa on the road.

 

Must win both road games, period. Penn State is Northwestern esque, so they'll win that, but you have to win both home games and at Iowa, and at Iowa would be your best win (and that's still not a very good win).

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 02:31 PM)
Must win both road games, period. Penn State is Northwestern esque, so they'll win that, but you have to win both home games and at Iowa, and at Iowa would be your best win (and that's still not a very good win).

 

9-7 in a major conference with Illinois strength of schedule has basically never been left out of the tourney.

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 02:32 PM)
9-7 in a major conference with Illinois strength of schedule has basically never been left out of the tourney.

 

Uh yeah it has. The Big 10 isn't very good this year, the Illini only played the 2 legitimately good teams once each, both at home, and lost both (1 in a blowout), they didn't play ANYBODY in the OOC, and lost at home to Maryland (a bubble team), a neutral game (although it was in Phoenix) to a falling off Arizona team that is now only 16-7, and at Xavier (lol), and haven't won anything resembling a good road game all year. With all that, and the amount of good mid major teams this year, that resume has no shot.

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 02:35 PM)
Uh yeah it has. The Big 10 isn't very good this year, the Illini only played the 2 legitimately good teams once each, both at home, and lost both (1 in a blowout), they didn't play ANYBODY in the OOC, and lost at home to Maryland (a bubble team), a neutral game (although it was in Phoenix) to a falling off Arizona team that is now only 16-7, and at Xavier (lol), and haven't won anything resembling a good road game all year. With all that, and the amount of good mid major teams this year, that resume has no shot.

 

Tell you what go through this site RPI and tell me how many major conference teams have been left out of the tourney that had over 20 wins and were over .500 in conference.

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Compare Illinois to this supposed lock:

 

The Illinois Profile

RPI: 42

SOS: 23

Record: 18-9(6-6 in 4th best conference in America)

VS. RPI Top 50: 3-8

3 Best wins: Inidiana-19(home), Michigan State-41(Away), Bradley-50(Neutral)

RPI 50+ losses: Michigan-54(Away)

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RPI: 56

SOS: 88

Record: 16-7(6-3 in 7th best conference in America)

VS. RPI Top 50: 2-6

3 Best wins: Arkansas- RPI of 33(home), Texas Tech-43(Away), Nebraska-82(Away)

RPI 50+ losses: Gonzaga-53(neutral)

 

Not that one comparison means something, but it's fun to compare.

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 02:42 PM)
Tell you what go through this site RPI and tell me how many major conference teams have been left out of the tourney that had over 20 wins and were over .500 in conference.

 

You have to keep in mind that Illinois is playing more games than past teams since they get the 3 or 4 (I forget which) exempt games due to the Chicago tournament.

 

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 02:45 PM)
Compare Illinois to this supposed lock:

 

The Illinois Profile

RPI: 42

SOS: 23

Record: 18-9(6-6 in 4th best conference in America)

VS. RPI Top 50: 3-8

3 Best wins: Inidiana-19(home), Michigan State-41(Away), Bradley-50(Neutral)

RPI 50+ losses: Michigan-54(Away)

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RPI: 56

SOS: 88

Record: 16-7(6-3 in 7th best conference in America)

VS. RPI Top 50: 2-6

3 Best wins: Arkansas- RPI of 33(home), Texas Tech-43(Away), Nebraska-82(Away)

RPI 50+ losses: Gonzaga-53(neutral)

 

Not that one comparison means something, but it's fun to compare.

 

Who's team #2? Also, the Michigan State win was at home, not away as that profile suggests.

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 03:59 PM)
You have to keep in mind that Illinois is playing more games than past teams since they get the 3 or 4 (I forget which) exempt games due to the Chicago tournament.

Who's team #2? Also, the Michigan State win was at home, not away as that profile suggests.

my guess is texas

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QUOTE(AssHatSoxFan @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 03:00 PM)
my guess is texas

 

I'm not sure who is considering them in the tournament, but right now I'd say they are in just as much, maybe more trouble than Illinois. Their saving grace is 6-3 in the league and Kevin Durant, though. The other point is, the league rating for the Big 10 is so deceptive, as the tourney people will know. The level at which it is boosted by Wisky and Ohio State, two top 5 teams, is HUGE (which is why I'd say Illinois is in had they held on to beat Wisky at the Hall).

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Haha I cant believe some one is saying Iowa is better than Illinois.

 

Its almost impossible to win at Indiana and the fact that Illinois stayed in the game shows that they are atleast the 4th best team in the Big 10.

 

As for the Big 10 being down, that is some what perplexing. OSU and Wisconsin are both in the top 5, if one of them was in the 16 range and had loss to a team like Illinois etc that would put 4 Big 10 teams in the top 25. Just because the top of the Big 10 is better than most of the other leagues does not make the middle of the road teams bad.

 

Barring something crazy Illinois is in the tournament. I believe Iowa plays at Illinois to end the season and Im gonna say Illinois wins that game.

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QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Feb 10, 2007 -> 03:07 PM)
Haha I cant believe some one is saying Iowa is better than Illinois.

 

Its almost impossible to win at Indiana and the fact that Illinois stayed in the game shows that they are atleast the 4th best team in the Big 10.

 

As for the Big 10 being down, that is some what perplexing. OSU and Wisconsin are both in the top 10, if one of them was in the 16 range and had loss to a team like Illinois etc that would put 4 Big 10 teams in the top 25. Just because the top of the Big 10 is better than most of the other leagues does not make the middle of the road teams bad.

 

Barring something crazy Illinois is in the tournament. I believe Iowa plays at Illinois to end the season and Im gonna say Illinois wins that game.

 

It's at Iowa. Illinois is in if they finish 4-0. If they go 3-1 with a loss at Iowa, it's RIGHT on the borderline. I'd assume if Illinois goes 9-7 they don't get the bye in Chicago, so they'll have to win 1, MAYBE 2 games in that situation. If Illinois goes 3-1 to finish out and somehow gets the bye, they'd be in if they win the opener at Chicago. 2-2 finish (ie a loss at home to Michigan) and it's toast unless they go wild in the BTT, but they'll beat Michigan at home.

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