kapkomet Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 John Kerry - a presidential candidate and key Democrat: wishes he could go "to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue to kill the real bird with one stone". Are you freaking kidding me? And this asshole gets away with this? Cindy Sheehan, also this weekend: Talking about the Twighlight Zone episode where Hitler was to be killed as a baby, and she suggests that she wishes she could go back in time, like that episode, to kill George Bush as a baby? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH OUR COUNTRY? It SICKENS me how pathetic we are becoming as human beings. This makes these people no different then the terrorists who want to kill us all and our way of life. With crap like this, why do we deserve our so-called American way of life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 When and where did this happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Oct 16, 2006 -> 10:52 PM) John Kerry - a presidential candidate and key Democrat: wishes he could go "to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue to kill the real bird with one stone". Are you freaking kidding me? And this asshole gets away with this? Cindy Sheehan, also this weekend: Talking about the Twighlight Zone episode where Hitler was to be killed as a baby, and she suggests that she wishes she could go back in time, like that episode, to kill George Bush as a baby? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH OUR COUNTRY? It SICKENS me how pathetic we are becoming as human beings. This makes these people no different then the terrorists who want to kill us all and our way of life. With crap like this, why do we deserve our so-called American way of life? John Kerry should be arrested and imprisoned for that remark. Freedom of Speech doesn't extend to threatening the President of the United States, I dont give a damn who you are. Sheehan also. Let the bastards be cell mates together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Saying you wish you could kill someone is not the same thing as threatening to kill someone. But I still want to know where this quote came from, because it isn't on Drudge Report or Google News as of half an hour ago... and if John Kerry really said it, it'd be in 100 pt type on Drudge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 When Kerry uses a saying like "kill a bird with a stone," I don't think he is LITERALLY talking about MURDERING the President. His remarks are a lot different than Cindy's (who I think is off her Rocker.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 OK, I found it... after searching a while. He said it on Real Time with Bill Maher. But it was immediately after a joke about killing two birds with one stone by buying Theresa a birthday present by getting it in New Hampshire. So is he saying he wants to kill the President? Or is it more just wishing he got elected in the first place? Here's my hunch. John Kerry ran for President. I think he really wanted to win. Cause he's running again in 2008. Something tells me that the remarks are more about wanting to be in the White House than hurting someone in it. But then again, your mileage may vary. PS: I don't care what Cindy Sheehan said. I haven't cared what she's had to say in over a year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIF7_P92ORQ Here's the link. Watch it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 manufactured outrage is so *in* these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Sheehan went over the cuckoo's nest a long time ago. I cannot see the YouTube video here at work, but I'll watch it tonight. My gut reaction to the quote is, even if it was part of a joke, it was over the line. I'll reserve further judgement until I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Oct 16, 2006 -> 11:30 PM) John Kerry should be arrested and imprisoned for that remark. Freedom of Speech doesn't extend to threatening the President of the United States, I dont give a damn who you are. Sheehan also. Let the bastards be cell mates together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 09:50 AM) Sheehan went over the cuckoo's nest a long time ago. I cannot see the YouTube video here at work, but I'll watch it tonight. My gut reaction to the quote is, even if it was part of a joke, it was over the line. I'll reserve further judgement until I see it. My gut reaction is it wasn't a joke about killing anything. To say this is about killing George Bush is a pretty awful stretch. It was just a bad joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 09:56 AM) My gut reaction is it wasn't a joke about killing anything. To say this is about killing George Bush is a pretty awful stretch. It was just a bad joke. In my opinion, it doesn't much matter. This is sort of like someone joking about a bomb while standing line at airport security. Motive and intent are irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 10:02 AM) In my opinion, it doesn't much matter. This is sort of like someone joking about a bomb while standing line at airport security. Motive and intent are irrelevant. There has to be some common sense. Using your example, there are different levels of joking about stuff. Bad: This line is so long, the guard so inept, I'm going to bring a real bomb here and see what happens. Not so bad: I'm going to use my supernatural powers to build a snot bomb using mind waves and see what happens. Not bad at all: I'm going to go get a bottle of Jager and get us all bombed. I think most rational human beings in America have heard the phrase Killing two birds with one stone. If anyone thinks that actually means killing something and not completing two things, they are an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 10:18 AM) There has to be some common sense. Using your example, there are different levels of joking about stuff. Bad: This line is so long, the guard so inept, I'm going to bring a real bomb here and see what happens. Not so bad: I'm going to use my supernatural powers to build a snot bomb using mind waves and see what happens. Not bad at all: I'm going to go get a bottle of Jager and get us all bombed. I think most rational human beings in America have heard the phrase Killing two birds with one stone. If anyone thinks that actually means killing something and not completing two things, they are an idiot. Except the phrase was modified to target one subject. I don't for a second think that John Kerry has any intent to harm Bush. Not at all. But I do think there are good reasons why, when it comes to things of this nature, there can be little allowance for such words. And further, as a statesman, I think Kerry needs to be more careful. Here is an example, I saw in the news yesterday... http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/14/...in2089658.shtml High school girl puts a picture of Bush on her blog, with a drawn in dagger stabbing him, with the word "Kill" followed by his name. It was there for a day, then taken down. I doubt she intended to kill anyone. But, I also think the Secret Service did precisely what they needed to in this case. Do you agree, or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 10:25 AM) Except the phrase was modified to target one subject. I don't for a second think that John Kerry has any intent to harm Bush. Not at all. But I do think there are good reasons why, when it comes to things of this nature, there can be little allowance for such words. And further, as a statesman, I think Kerry needs to be more careful. Here is an example, I saw in the news yesterday... http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/14/...in2089658.shtml High school girl puts a picture of Bush on her blog, with a drawn in dagger stabbing him, with the word "Kill" followed by his name. It was there for a day, then taken down. I doubt she intended to kill anyone. But, I also think the Secret Service did precisely what they needed to in this case. Do you agree, or no? There is a difference between a metaphor which means to complete a task and that picture. If anyone posted a picture of Bush, two birds, and a rock, would that be a threat? Yes, I believe the Secret Service acted correctly. And by getting the media to report on it, it sends a clear and important message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 10:30 AM) There is a difference between a metaphor which means to complete a task and that picture. If anyone posted a picture of Bush, two birds, and a rock, would that be a threat? Yes, I believe the Secret Service acted correctly. And by getting the media to report on it, it sends a clear and important message. I agree there is a difference, and that is why the USSS will not be knocking on Kerry's door. But, I do not think that Kerry's line is "OK". I think it was, as I said, over the line, and I expect more from someone in his position. This goes to one of the things I've always disliked about Kerry - his tendency to blend the elder statesman affect with words and actions that are more like a petulant child. He has these Howard Dean moments, and will say things that are strident just to get attention, then back off and act as if he is above such emotional reactions. Bottom line, like I said... that reference in its current wording (adjusted to one target) was over the line, and Kerry should be embarrassed as a Senator to have said such a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted October 17, 2006 Author Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 01:50 PM) Sheehan went over the cuckoo's nest a long time ago. I cannot see the YouTube video here at work, but I'll watch it tonight. My gut reaction to the quote is, even if it was part of a joke, it was over the line. I'll reserve further judgement until I see it. That's honestly my sentiments as well, but, it's over the line as you said, and you just do NOT joke about stuff like that. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted October 17, 2006 Author Share Posted October 17, 2006 Also, Tex, I didn't state any opinions other then to say what is wrong with all of us when it comes to joking about this kind of stuff, and not only that, the divide has gotten so bad that it's "acceptable" for this behavior. It's not. Plain and simple. My "manufactured outrage" was directed at society, not John Kerry. He's just an idiot for saying this the way he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 I really hope Kerry runs for president in 2008. Democrats vote for Kerry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 03:59 PM) Also, Tex, I didn't state any opinions other then to say what is wrong with all of us when it comes to joking about this kind of stuff, and not only that, the divide has gotten so bad that it's "acceptable" for this behavior. It's not. Plain and simple. My "manufactured outrage" was directed at society, not John Kerry. He's just an idiot for saying this the way he did. My manufactured outrage comment was much more universal. It seems to be the way we react to everything. Take something small that really doesn't mean a damn thing and try to see if it gets "tracks" and can make someone look bad. Sit that would have been overlooked 10 or 20 years ago, from everyone, is now huge front page news. In this case, I seriously doubt he was joking about *killing* the President. He was joking about *being* the President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 04:59 PM) Also, Tex, I didn't state any opinions other then to say what is wrong with all of us when it comes to joking about this kind of stuff, and not only that, the divide has gotten so bad that it's "acceptable" for this behavior. It's not. Plain and simple. My "manufactured outrage" was directed at society, not John Kerry. He's just an idiot for saying this the way he did. If America wasn't so politically poisoned to begin with, nobody would have even thought to make the connection between a bad joke and a threat to the President's life IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted October 18, 2006 Author Share Posted October 18, 2006 QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Oct 18, 2006 -> 12:51 AM) If America wasn't so politically poisoned to begin with, nobody would have even thought to make the connection between a bad joke and a threat to the President's life IMHO. Rex, everyone knows he's kidding... but, it's not something you joke about, in that manner. This is supposed to be the "intelligent" presidential candidate, and he should know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 08:55 PM) Rex, everyone knows he's kidding... but, it's not something you joke about, in that manner. This is supposed to be the "intelligent" presidential candidate, and he should know better. He doesn't get it done as the "intelligent" candidate. He did, however, do a bang up job as the "elitist, snobbish, im better than you cause Im a northeastern liberal" candidate though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshot7 Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Oct 16, 2006 -> 09:30 PM) Freedom of Speech doesn't extend to threatening the President of the United States, I dont give a damn who you are. Yes it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 QUOTE(longshot7 @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 10:14 PM) Yes it does. No. It doesn't. Communicating a threat to anyone, let alone the President, is a crime and is punishable by various means depending on where you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 QUOTE(longshot7 @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 10:14 PM) Yes it does. Actually the President does have special protections in that area. He also loses some protections in others. QUOTE(kapkomet @ Oct 17, 2006 -> 08:55 PM) Rex, everyone knows he's kidding... but, it's not something you joke about, in that manner. This is supposed to be the "intelligent" presidential candidate, and he should know better. Everyone knows he's joking, yet people are trying to make it a bigger deal. Shameful no matter who is doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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